“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

[acbytesla]

Sad doesn't even come close.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Protesters-storm-Milo-Yiannopoulos-event-at-UC-10901829.php



Yet look who started all of the violence. Look who is being targeted. This is bad even for Berkeley.



I don't read Breitbart and I don't know who Milo is (I do now) and it is irrelevant.

More intolerance (to say the least) from the left. I'd say it was only a few individuals who ruined it, but it was not.

Dozens of masked students started fires, stormed barricades, threw bricks, fireworks and "smoking objects" at police, knocked over and vandalized a generator and light that were set up, smashed windows....I forget the rest.

I wonder if they were actually students at all.

I guess Berkeley, along with government officials all over the state, don't care that 74% of Californians are against sanctuary cities.

According to Berkeley's own newspaper....

http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/09/04/igs-poll-californians-oppose-sanctuary-city-flexibility/

Unfortunately only a sample size of over a thousand people, but...


I know 3 or 4 very liberal friends and none of them are for sanctuary cities. I've never heard anybody say otherwise actually.

Why would anyone want that? To give free reign of the entire state to illegals (there are millions here already in Cali...millions.), AND to have the taxpayers pay for their legal defense? Get stuffed!

I already expect some "Cali is stupid you should sink into the sea" posts - save it, you're preaching to the choir.

This state is completely out of control.

Any Californians here think making Cali a sanctuary state is a good idea? If so, please tell me why, especially if you actually pay taxes in this state.

Why am I asking - this state voted in Jerry Brown - AGAIN! Holy gawddam...

I'm not sure where you came up with your statistics. I'd bet that they were pulled out of someone's ass. But nevertheless I don't care what a 'majority' of people think and neither do you. I care about what is right. There was a time that a majority of people that thought slavery was OK. A majority of Muslims think Sharia is a good thing. A majority of American voters preferred Hillary Clinton. Get the point?

Right now with the Der Fuhrer acting like a total moron and his brownshirts trying to dehumanize people I think you can expect resistance.and I'm damn glad these people are resisting.

 

[Resume]

What message did he deliver at Berkeley? I thought his event had been cancelled.
Chris B.

Yes, it was a speaking engagement that was cancelled. The first amendment doesn't guarantee speaking "events," just speech. He can (and does) speechify to his heart's content.

 

[caveman1917]

what a terrible analogy...

Not at all.

This was a public space. while it appears that certain Jar jar protesters think that they "own" the space, that is not how it works.

Yes, an armed KKKer walking into a public Black Panthers meeting, can he expect everything to go over smoothly?

The gun came out after the lone individual was assaulted by the Jar jar protester who came bounding across the public space at him.

Evidence?

By your logic, can the "Jar jar protesters" now shoot "Police" when they get assaulted by them?

 

[The Big Dog]

Not at all.

By your logic, can the "Jar jar protesters" now shoot "Police" when they get assaulted by them?

I think you have that backwards, the question is whether the Police can shoot the Jar Jars when they assault the police and happily enough, the answer thus far has been no, they have not.

Yes, an armed KKKer walking into a public Black Panthers meeting, can he expect everything to go over smoothly?

He did? Evidence? I need more detail

 

[caveman1917]

A bunch of people in black masks show up to a peaceful protest and start attacking everyone. Riot ensues. Liberals are blamed.

I can only blame the Liberals for allowing the provokers to succeed.

I think Milo (as well as Spencer and others) will happily take volunteers to protect their organizing efforts.

 

[TragicMonkey]

That makes sense as a retort if the USA was currently in an actual civil war. However, if we are in a society that aspires to make changes via debate, persuasion and laws, then your retort is moronic (unless you wish that democrats and republicans actually were shooting each other... which is also kind of moronic).

We're in a culture war. The side that values tolerance is losing because it's tolerating too much. The options are to stop tolerating absolutely everything, or lose. If the other side wins there will be much less tolerance, as it does not like tolerance.

And I'm too polite to respond in kind to your gratuitous insults, but I will point out that you're not being very tolerant of my opinion. You already pick and choose who you tolerate, it seems.

 

[NoahFence]

Do you care about racists who actively hurt majorities? What is the difference between a minority and a majority?

Historical oppression.

 

[Belz...]

Where did this part come from?

NoahFence said:

You (general you) show intolerance to people based solely on race, religion, sexual orientation, or where they're from, and you're a bad person.

Highlights mine.

You said you disagreed with his definition. It stands to reason that you don't think being intolerant towards minorities, which definitely ends up hurting them, either directly or indirectly, is not incompatible with being a good person.

If you leave it in, then the answer becomes "it depends."

I think we may have entirely incompatible value systems.

 

[Belz...]

Do you care about racists who actively hurt majorities?

For myself: yes.

 

[Tero]

"This looks bad for democrats." No it does not. In the same manner the KKK is 100% behind Trump. These are the fringes.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Yes, it was a speaking engagement that was cancelled. The first amendment doesn't guarantee speaking "events," just speech. He can (and does) speechify to his heart's content.

LOL "speechify" I knew you had some humor in there somewhere.

I'm gonna concede your point because although I still don't think it was right to cancel his event, I agree with him not speaking there.

Yet if Berkeley shows some sort of habit of limiting extreme speakers to only those they agree with, I still see a problem.

Chris B.

 

[sunmaster14]

NoahFence said:



Highlights mine.

You said you disagreed with his definition. It stands to reason that you don't think being intolerant towards minorities, which definitely ends up hurting them, either directly or indirectly, is not incompatible with being a good person.

Intolerance isn't the same as actively hurting them. Quite clearly, the liberals in this thread think that making a speech that some minorities consider offensive is an example of intolerance. Sometimes, intolerance can help. If you're intolerant of bad behavior, or of identity politics, I think that's a good thing.

I think we may have entirely incompatible value systems.

Well, mine is logically consistent. That will naturally be incompatible with a value system which is logically inconsistent.

 

[sunmaster14]

For myself: yes.

Even if all those racists are doing is stripping majorities of their unearned "privileges?"

 

[logger]

Milo has appeared at many campuses without the left starting riots.

And it's always the left that does this. But then they'll blame the right.

 

[logger]

Who gives a rip? We're supposed to be angels of virtue while the minority alt-right takes over the government and drags it toward the drain or WWIII, it's unclear which at this point.

And you start a thread whining about some protestors who have had enough! Color me unconcerned.

Lol

Proof the left supports this, I'm glad SG has the courage to admit it.

 

[logger]

..."the left" didn't start a riot.

Some people started a riot.

And here's the thing. This won't be the last.

Get used to this America. As long as the Trump administration holds unlimited power and it treats the constitution as a doormat there will be people that will protest.

This is going to get ugly. Real ugly. I'm not going to condone the violence that will happen. I'm not going to defend what happened at Berkeley.

But we are in the middle of a propaganda war. And the Trump Administration will be doing exactly the same as what has already started to happen in this thread: they will use this as an example of how the "left hates free speech." And they will say this while they quietly and quickly work behind the scenes to dismantle the "checks and balances" that were once a hallmark of what was the United States of America.

It won't take a lot for the Trump Administration to escalate in response. And they will escalate. No amount of "milo could not have asked for better publicity" is going to mitigate that. We could all appeal for calm but there is so much fear and anxiety out there that if things didn't explode here, they would explode somewhere else. This isn't something anyone can control. Not until a proper form of leadership forms itself out of the disparate groups that are opposing the Trump regime.

The very least that we can do here is not to become mouthpieces for the Administration. Milo is a disgusting, repulsive human being, and we should not be helping him by being sucked into his talking points. Milo is a professional troll and getting people irrationally angry is what he does. He succeeded here. We don't need to signal boost his success.

More justification, bet this wouldn't happen in states that allow deadly force to protect property.

 

[Giz]

We're in a culture war. The side that values tolerance is losing because it's tolerating too much. The options are to stop tolerating absolutely everything, or lose. If the other side wins there will be much less tolerance, as it does not like tolerance.

And I'm too polite to respond in kind to your gratuitous insults, but I will point out that you're not being very tolerant of my opinion. You already pick and choose who you tolerate, it seems.

I'm not saying "tolerate", I'm saying "argue non-violently".

You appear to be mistaking a societal culture war for an actual shooting war.

 

[Resume]

LOL "speechify" I knew you had some humor in there somewhere.

I'm gonna concede your point because although I still don't think it was right to cancel his event, I agree with him not speaking there.

Yet if Berkeley shows some sort of habit of limiting extreme speakers to only those they agree with, I still see a problem.

Chris B.

I think Berkeley was wise to cancel; who knows how out of hand things might have turned out. But I do wish the invitation could've been honored, along with reasoned protests. Milo won here and it's too bad because he's kind of a ****.

 

[logger]

Not going to happen. What is going to take control is an increasingly authoritarian Trump government which will gain more and more support from the middle who will soon be demanding an end to senseless violence and disorder. These idiots make it much, much easier for Republican senators and congress members (as well as Democrats in republican heavy areas and states) to support whatever the Trump administration does.

True, but the government may allow citizens to protect themselves and property.

 

[logger]

Yes, but that takes maturity, which is something LIBERAL college kids aren't known for.

FIFY