“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

Seems what started as a protest against Milo turned into a general riot that spread downtown:

http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/02/01/helicopters-berkeley-milo-yiannopoulos-protest/

Update, 10:30 p.m. Following the fighting and vandalism in downtown Berkeley, demonstrators moved back to the South Campus area near Bancroft and Telegraph. Berkeley Police said about 200 demonstrators were still involved. Estimates of the cost of the damage in downtown Berkeley, around Telegraph, and on the campus, will not be available until tomorrow. Berkeley public works is in the downtown now cleaning up and boarding windows.
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I can't think of anything more counterproductive than this. They think they are "fighting fascism"? They are playing right into his hands. Milo couldn't have scripted the reaction any better himself. Discrediting themselves.

And if what you are protesting is Milo, why go downtown and start smashing windows and setting fires?

When the Left Glorifies Violence Against People It Dislikes, Trump Wins

The black bloc's violent tactics could produce a backlash. The Women's March figured out the right way to fight fascism.

A lot of people experience a sense of visceral joy when someone they hate gets punched in the face. But there's a body of social science research that suggests they won't like the long-term public policy results.

Over inauguration weekend, a member of the black bloc—a group of masked anti-Trump insurrectionaries—punched white nationalist leader Richard Spencer in the face on the streets of Washington, D.C. Elsewhere, black bloc members smashed the windows of a local Starbucks and Bank of America, even though neither company could be properly characterized as pro-Trump. (Starbucks' CEO endorsed Clinton, and Bank of America gave Clinton more money than Trump.) They set a limousine on fire, even though the limousine belonged to a Muslim immigrant.

When it comes to enacting social change, are broken windows and displaced limousine drivers merely the cost of doing business? No. In fact, violent and destructive protesting is less efficient than nonviolent protesting, according to the research.

"Why Civil Resistance Works," a study written by Maria J. Stephan and Erica Chenoweth, found that nonviolent tactics were much more effective than violent tactics. Researchers surveyed anti-governmental resistance movements in the 20th century in a variety of countries: nonviolent means achieved their aims 53 percent of the time, while the violent means worked only 26 percent of the time.

"Whereas governments easily justify violent counterattacks against armed insurgents, regime violence against nonviolent movements is more likely to backfire against the regime," wrote the authors. "Potentially sympathetic publics perceive violent militants as having maximalist or extremist goals beyond accommodation, but they perceive nonviolent resistance groups as less extreme, thereby enhancing their appeal and facilitating the extraction of concessions through bargaining."

Another study, by Princeton University Assistant Professor of Politics Omar Wasow, found that violent extremist movements in the United States in the 1960s and '70s inspired a conservative backlash that helped elect Richard Nixon to the presidency. Nonviolent protests, on the other hand, did not provoke a backlash.
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UC-Berkeley Protesters Set Campus on Fire, Shut Down Milo Yiannopoulos Event

Censorship wins again—and so does Milo.

Berkeley is burning tonight: the university campus that birthed the Free Speech Movement played host to a despicable display of violence and censorship Wednesday evening that culminated in the cancellation of a planned speech by controversial Breitbart tech editor Milo Yiannopoulos.

Anti-Yiannopoulos protesters wearing black scarves over their faces hurled fireworks at the building where the alt-right leader was supposed to speak. They also tore down barricades and smashed windows. They used gasoline to start a significant fire on the street that threatened to engulf a nearby tree, and forced police to push people back. Authority figures deployed rubber bullets and tear gas in an attempt to control the situation. A student who attended the event told me that it seemed like the majority of the violent protesters were not students, but older, masked rioters from the "antifa" movement.

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As I write this, at 10:00 p.m., the violence and chaos are ongoing. Yiannopoulos was forced to evacuate the campus.

Anti-Yiannopoulos protesters described themselves as anti-fascists and anarchists. "We reject fascist America," the said.

They don't so much reject it as enable it. Most people will watch the chaos unfold and wonder what's wrong with college students and social justice activists these days—why they must resort to violence and destruction to silence people they don't like.

By engaging in such tactics, anti-Yiannopoulos protesters effectively distract from the fact that Yiannopoulos's own views are loathsome. They turn Yiannopoulos into a free speech martyr, which is exactly what he wants. When Milo is censored, Milo wins.
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So thanks a lot self-styled "anti-Fascist" useful idiots for doing exactly what they want you to do. Keep it up and you might just help Trump win a second term!

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The better protest would've been to ignore Milo who is nothing more than an internet troll. Trolls hate being ignored more than anything.
 
Where are the leaders of the larger Muslim community? How come they aren't speaking out against this violence? Until Muslims denounce this type of stuff, anything else they say will sound hypocritical.
 
zorro99 said:
The better protest would've been to ignore Milo who is nothing more than an internet troll. Trolls hate being ignored more than anything.
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Yes, but that takes maturity, which is something college kids aren't known for. Why do you think this clown targetsvisits so many of them?

marplots said:
Where are the leaders of the larger Muslim community? How come they aren't speaking out against this violence? Until Muslims denounce this type of stuff, anything else they say will sound hypocritical.
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What a remarkably Trumpian response :D
 
Antifa makes Milo an overnight millionaire by timing violent protest perfectly with his book deal.

Milo's act is pretty brilliant if you ask me. Dressing up conservative opinions with 1980's-Eddie-Murphy-stand-up vulgarity + hamming up his gay act.
And taking that roadshow into the belly of the beast to see if they flip their ****.

He exposes the campus lefties as intolerant anti-free-speech nutso's, and simultaneously builds a personal brand and makes bank from his tour and future book-sales.

And Antifa has just propelled him out of the campus/twitter-sphere and into the mainstream. NYT bestseller list, here he comes.

Antifa are going to have a remarkably bourgeois experience this December, when they receive a Christmas card from Milo's publisher.
 
Every ideology is a special snowflake that must be protected and treated with love and acceptance and understanding...

...unless that ideology is Islamic, or favors equal rights for LGBT, or is secular, or advocates worker's rights, or a woman's right to choose what to do with her body, or favors multiculturalism, or fact-based media coverage.
 
This:

Dumb All Over said:
Milo has appeared at many campuses without the left starting riots.
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could just as easily have been directed at this:

sir drinks-a-lot said:
snip... In light of recent events, I just knew there was going to be a riot.
This just drives home the point, if it hasn't been obvious enough already: the real greatest threat to the US is the hysterical intolerance and dogmatism of the progressive left.
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C/P of my thoughts shared elsewhere:

Who needs agents provocateur when we provide our own for free?

Way to hand them the exact narrative they wanted. So instead of Milo talking to a half empty room and selling a dozen books, he got to upgrade the venue to prime time news networks and make his case to millions of people that we're the intolerant ones.

Think of civil unrest like a highly specialized trade craft or art form. It takes years to learn the hows and whys.

I only know of two valid reasons to set fires as part of a protest:

1) Area denial: to prevent being flanked and kettled if you are aware of an imminent attempt to do so. It can also be used during a retreat to delay attempts to engage in pursuit.

2) Decontamination: to create a heat hall to raise tear gas up and over the crowd so that medics can provide treatment to affected people. This one comes courtesy of veterans, having witnessed such occur from the other perspective.

What conceivable purpose is this giant and recklessly dangerous blaze going to accomplish? How are we any closer to our goals of equality and freedom because of this fire?

Does anyone think that a person (not already on board with the ideals described) sitting at home watching this on the news is suddenly thinking to themselves "Well, I wasn't convinced before, but now I want to join the cause!"

Morons. I'm not joking when I say people like this are only a razor thin margin less of a threat to the struggle we're about to get into than the actual enemies we have. If we don't have the backing of the public, we will not win. At some philosophical level if we don't have the backing of the public, we probably SHOULDN'T win.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
C/P of my thoughts shared elsewhere:

Who needs agents provocateur when we provide our own for free?

Way to hand them the exact narrative they wanted. So instead of Milo talking to a half empty room and selling a dozen books, he got to upgrade the venue to prime time news networks and make his case to millions of people that we're the intolerant ones.

Think of civil unrest like a highly specialized trade craft or art form. It takes years to learn the hows and whys.

I only know of two valid reasons to set fires as part of a protest:

1) Area denial: to prevent being flanked and kettled if you are aware of an imminent attempt to do so. It can also be used during a retreat to delay attempts to engage in pursuit.

2) Decontamination: to create a heat hall to raise tear gas up and over the crowd so that medics can provide treatment to affected people. This one comes courtesy of veterans, having witnessed such occur from the other perspective.

What conceivable purpose is this giant and recklessly dangerous blaze going to accomplish? How are we any closer to our goals of equality and freedom because of this fire?

Does anyone think that a person (not already on board with the ideals described) sitting at home watching this on the news is suddenly thinking to themselves "Well, I wasn't convinced before, but now I want to join the cause!"

Morons. I'm not joking when I say people like this are only a razor thin margin less of a threat to the struggle we're about to get into than the actual enemies we have. If we don't have the backing of the public, we will not win. At some philosophical level if we don't have the backing of the public, we probably SHOULDN'T win.
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Agreed. Progressive politicians need to reach out to these misguided individuals and harness their rage for the struggle to come. Properly deployed, these kinds of actions can do wonders for a resistance movement.
 
uke2se said:
Agreed. Progressive politicians need to reach out to these misguided individuals and harness their rage for the struggle to come. Properly deployed, these kinds of actions can do wonders for a resistance movement.
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Sooner or later, I wouldn't be surprised if a mass shooter claims a left-wing motivation (like Unabomber). If it's an Orlando style slaughter, say goodbye to the Left for a Decade.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Sooner or later, I wouldn't be surprised if a mass shooter claims a left-wing motivation (like Unabomber). If it's an Orlando style slaughter, say goodbye to the Left for a Decade.
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Why? Never seems to happen when right wing terrorists do it. Nor did it happen when you had left-wing terrorists in the US.
 
uke2se said:
Why? Never seems to happen when right wing terrorists do it. Nor did it happen when you had left-wing terrorists in the US.
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OKC killed the Militia Movement (helped along by Alphabet Soup infiltration), while Orlando and San Bernardino have expended the Average American's sympathy for Muslims.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
OKC killed the Militia Movement (helped along by Alphabet Soup infiltration), while Orlando and San Bernardino have expended the Average American's sympathy for Muslims.
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I don't see how any of these can be true. The militian movement is huge, and as has been seen recently, the average American has little sympathy for Muslims.
 
uke2se said:
I don't see how any of these can be true. The militian movement is huge, and as has been seen recently, the average American has little sympathy for Muslims.
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The Militia Movement is so thoroughly infiltrated by the Alphabet soup that there's good odds the idiots on camera are undercover agents.
 
TofuFighter said:
This:



could just as easily have been directed at this:
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Actually, Milo has been met with meltdowns by liberals on campus where ever he has gone. They've never reached the level of vandalism in Berkeley last night, but there have almost always been organized disruptions of his speeches and harassment of people on their way to his talk or leaving it.
 
Puppycow said:
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So thanks a lot self-styled "anti-Fascist" useful idiots for doing exactly what they want you to do.
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Meanwhile Trump and all the other war-mongering reactionaries are doing exactly what ISIS wants them to do: bringing to reality the fantasy propaganda meme they've been pushing for decades of the "West's War On Islam".

But you don't see any of the Trump apologists decrying that with anything like the self-righteous smug calling out of "the Left" we see in this thread, do we?

What a surprise, huh.
 
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