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Québec mosque shooting.

mgidm86 said:
What opportunity would that be?
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Just what it is: an opportunity to do something we can be proud of, instead of rationalizing to our grandchildren.



mgidm86 said:
You seem to imply that we should kill the President.
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I agree that I left it very open ended, but no specific path was implied - just the reminder that our future selves will look back at this and ask whether we were on the side that said "send the refugees back to their deaths," or whether we stood against it.



mgidm86 said:
Usually the "what would you have done back then" is in regards to Hitler and whether or not someone would kill him if they could go back in time, or if they knew in advance what he would become.

Just asking. Maybe it's just, yet another, angry emotional outburst from a passionate concerned ISFer.

Pretty disturbing if not.
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At the moment, I'm really thinking about somebody who tells his grandchildren in 2080 that he "Stood up for All That Is Right by skipping my morning latte, because you see, Starbucks actually said they'd help rescue some of those war refugees. So I knew they had to feel my wrath, you know, to prove my moral highground."
 
Wayward son said:
Someone, it may or may not have been Applebaum (an expert on authoritarian and totalitarian regimes), made the opposite point. Telling obvious lies, the more absurd and unbelievable the better, is a display of power. Telling clever lies is a sign of weakness. In the latter case you are cowering and hoping to get away with it. In the former case you are so powerful that you can say whatever you want and not only get away with it, but change what people perceive is reality. Putin lying about Russian troops being in Ukraine when everyone could see on their TV screens is an obvious example.
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I wonder if it goes either way, depending on the circumstances. Baghdad Bob was pitiful. ("The Americans are not in the city. Those explosions a block away from your house are... uh... impromptu public celebrations of our American Free city.")
 
blutoski said:
I wonder if it goes either way, depending on the circumstances. Baghdad Bob was pitiful. ("The Americans are not in the city. Those explosions a block away from your house are... uh... impromptu public celebrations of our American Free city.")
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I think it can go both ways. But I think in the case of BB it was not an example of him trying to show his power over others, but Saddam showing his power over BB - and in doing so, attempting to show those who could attempt a coup that he was in control. If I was there and Saddam told me to lie my ass off on the TV I would have done so enthusiastically and then surrendered to the Americans the very first second the opportunity presented itself (which was what BB did).
 
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Argumemnon said:
Not sure what's wrong with the first two, unless you were refering to me as an exemplar.
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No, I am referring to the shooter.
Winterfrost said:
One's birthplace, culture, and political bent make someone worthy of the death penalty?
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No, that's a very stupid read of my post.
Line 1: given those three features, not a surprise on the sentiments that led to the shooting.
Line 2: question (given the SHOOTING IN THE OP) about death penalty in Canada. A shooter like that is a perfect fit the death penalty, but as Border Riever pointed out, you don't have the option.
 
From a story on CNN.com

Amid pressure from the Canadian prime minister, Fox News has apologized for a tweet that inaccurately identified the suspect in Sunday night's Quebec mosque terror attack as a man of Moroccan origin.
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The statement from the Prime Minister's Office which convinced them to issue the apology and delete the tweet included:

"We need to remain focused on keeping our communities safe and united instead of trying to build walls and scapegoat communities," Purchase continued. "Muslims are predominantly the greatest victims of terrorist acts around the world. To paint terrorists with a broad brush that extends to all Muslims is not just ignorant -- it is irresponsible."

"If we allow individuals and organizations to succeed by scaring people, we do not actually end up any safer," she wrote. "Fear does not make us safer. It makes us weaker. Ramping up fear and closing our borders is not a solution. It distracts from the real issues that affect people's day to day life.
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Looks like a not so veiled comment on the current situation in the Whitehouse more than just words directed at FOX News.
 
The uptick in minor civil incidents after Trump's election owed to people on the far left and on the far right taking their respective extreme narratives as cover to legitimize action. The lesson from this incident is the same as any other form of social violence: cover narratives matter, and statements by political, religious, and major social figures can give lowlifes the understanding that there is an applauding public for violence. Ideas matter, ideologies matter, narratives matter. People may often not practice what they preach, but when vitriolic enough, guaranteed the wing nuts and loose cannons of the world will rush in to take up that slack.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
The uptick in minor civil incidents after Trump's election owed to people on the far left and on the far right taking their respective extreme narratives as cover to legitimize action. The lesson from this incident is the same as any other form of social violence: cover narratives matter, and statements by political, religious, and major social figures can give lowlifes the understanding that there is an applauding public for violence. Ideas matter, ideologies matter, narratives matter. People may often not practice what they preach, but when vitriolic enough, guaranteed the wing nuts and loose cannons of the world will rush in to take up that slack.
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Only some covering narratives matter. If you call a covering narrative a religion, but not Christianity or Judaism, then it can't possibly ever create anything bad, regardless of what the covering narrative is. All other covering narratives can cause problems, except maybe for the works of Marx and Lenin in some instances (this part is heavily disputed).

/sarcasm

McHrozni
 
Don't worry, people. It is a white guy, so it must be just a loner that has a few screws loose. He can't be a self-radicalized member of a hate group, or a terrorist. [/Trumper]
 
thaiboxerken said:
Don't worry, people. It is a white guy, so it must be just a loner that has a few screws loose. He can't be a self-radicalized member of a hate group, or a terrorist. [/Trumper]
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Yep. Media - especially conservative media - will focus on the lone nutter narrative, if they keep mentioning it at all.
 
I may have missed it so this is a genuine question, have either Theresa May or Donald Trump offered any statement on this event, even to offer sympathy?
 
uke2se said:
Yep. Media - especially conservative media - will focus on the lone nutter narrative, if they keep mentioning it at all.
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Well, did you find anything indicating that he is more than some sort of loner/loser with far right political views? That's what he appears to be to me for the time being but the police investigation is just beginning.
 
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Castro said:
Well, did you find anything indicating that he is more than some sort of loner/loser with far right political views? That's what he appears to be to me for the time being but the police investigation is just beginning.
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Like the guy who ran into that crowd in Berlin?

Point is, he's a right wing terrorist.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So much for escaping the madness by going to Canada.

It's not a wild world, it's a sick sick world right now. I do wish all these white supremacist creeps would go back into the woodwork.
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Where did you get white supremacists assumption? I couldn't find that phrase in the article. Did I overlook something?
 
uke2se said:
Like the guy who ran into that crowd in Berlin?

Point is, he's a right wing terrorist.
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Like the weirdo who ran into that crowd in Nice. Point is, Canadian "media" are doing their job so far. imo.
 
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Castro said:
Like the weirdo who ran into that crowd in Nice. Point is, Canadian "media" are doing their job so far. imo.
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I'm not talking about Canadian media.

But if media outlets - especially conservative ones - keep labeling this guy a terrorist, I'll happily concede that they are.
 
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