Disgraceful! Richard Spencer Sucker-Punched While Giving Interview

Hercules56 said:
I respect people who disagree with me in a peaceful fashion.

Folks who advocate violence, ethnic cleansing, racist legislation, are not to be respected.

The 1st Amendment is NOT a suicide pact.

We are under no obligation to defend the democratic rights of those who seek to destroy democracy and replace it with a Fascist state.
Click to expand...
You need to re-think this part if you wish to be consistent. This is the missing self-awareness gene I referred to previously.
 
Hercules56 said:
I respect people who disagree with me in a peaceful fashion.

Folks who advocate violence, ethnic cleansing, racist legislation, are not to be respected.

The 1st Amendment is NOT a suicide pact.

We are under no obligation to defend the democratic rights of those who seek to destroy democracy and replace it with a Fascist state.
Click to expand...

This is ridiculous hyperbole. Nobody is going to die because of a failure to punch Spencer in the face. Spencer has no power, and probably fewer followers than some church bingos. That's not about to change. And as a matter of fact, yes, actually, we ARE under an obligation to obey the law, including with respect to Spencer.
 
Ziggurat said:
This is ridiculous hyperbole. Nobody is going to die because of a failure to punch Spencer in the face. Spencer has no power, and probably fewer followers than some church bingos. That's not about to change. And as a matter of fact, yes, actually, we ARE under an obligation to obey the law, including with respect to Spencer.
Click to expand...

Yes, just as the Wiemar Republic respected the Free Speech rights of the blossoming Nazi party.

And we saw where that went.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, just as the Wiemar Republic respected the Free Speech rights of the blossoming Nazi party.
Click to expand...

The speech wasn't the problem. The violence was. The Nazi party used violence to get power, not just speech, and nobody stopped them when they used violence.

And we saw where that went.
Click to expand...

Spencer is no Hitler. And' I'm not even talking about what he wants, I'm talking about what he's capable of achieving. His following is tiny, and it's going to stay tiny. And if he tries to use violence, he's going to get squished, hard.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, just as the Wiemar Republic respected the Free Speech rights of the blossoming Nazi party.

And we saw where that went.
Click to expand...

There is no comparison.

"Smacking a guy or gal in the face out of the blue is wrong".

Start from that and then make your ethical argument as to why it could be right, but make sure your argument is very very sound.

Begin your argument with "Smacking a guy or gal in the face out of the blue is OK if...",
and your argument has so many slips and lack of grounding, you will never be able to logically support it.
 
Last edited:
Ziggurat said:
Nobody is going to die because of a failure to punch Spencer in the face.
Click to expand...

How do you know? Nazis do kill people, you know. And the more self-confidence they have to act on their beliefs the more people they tend to kill - especially anti-fascists.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, just as the Wiemar Republic respected the Free Speech rights of the blossoming Nazi party.

And we saw where that went.
Click to expand...

As I said before, due to the Treaty of Versailles, the Weimar Republic had a 0% approval rating with severe rule of law issues. An attempt to crack down on the Nazis during the Great Depression would have resulted in civil war at best or a military coup in favour of the Nazis.
 
Last edited:
Hercules56 said:
Yes, just as the Wiemar Republic respected the Free Speech rights of the blossoming Nazi party.

And we saw where that went.
Click to expand...

Ummm, as already explained they DID crack down on the Nazi party.

Might want to do a bit of reading?
 
One last try.

Six months from now you're (as always, the generic 'you') out in the streets holding signs and protesting against Trump's latest crackdown on sanity, calling for his removal from office. "Not my president", and "resist!" posters abound. Maybe you're even holding signs in support of Calexit.

All this is under the watchful eye of some folk who see themselves as patriots - the sort who feel we as a nation are stronger together than divided, and that the rule of law is of primary importance in guaranteeing each and every America's personal safety. So down the street comes you and your subversive friends. They see a mob marching in support of removing the duly elected President of the United States. They see a gang marching in opposition to actual Democracy. Surely any person or group who would openly advocate for sedition and abandonment of the rule of law is a threat to our security which needs a response?

Some in this thread have now handed those 'patriots' the exact rhetorical device they need to justify wading into the protest with fists (or more).
 
Last edited:
Ziggurat said:
Because I'm not stupid or paranoid.
Click to expand...

Your beliefs about your stupidity or paranoia are no basis for knowledge. Are you disputing that fascists attack and sometimes outright kill people? Or are you disputing that they do so less after one of their leading figures gets punched?
 
Last edited:
Ziggurat said:
This is ridiculous hyperbole. Nobody is going to die because of a failure to punch Spencer in the face. Spencer has no power, and probably fewer followers than some church bingos. That's not about to change. And as a matter of fact, yes, actually, we ARE under an obligation to obey the law, including with respect to Spencer.
Click to expand...

Debatable. I think it could be more readily concurred that there is an obligation for a citizen to comply with law?

http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780198253457.001.0001/acprof-9780198253457-chapter-12

eta: I don't know why the embarrassed smiley keep appearing in the link. It will not obey.
 
Last edited:
caveman1917 said:
Your beliefs about your stupidity or paranoia are no basis for knowledge. Are you disputing that fascists attack and sometimes outright kill people? Or are you disputing that they do so less after their one of their leading figures gets punched?
Click to expand...

I'm disputing that Spencer attacks or kills people, or even directs anyone else to.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom