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Hey, in his speech Pena specifically mentioned the UK as a country he would like a trade deal with.
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Hey, in his speech Pena specifically mentioned the UK as a country he would like a trade deal with.
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I suppose even he would have to be right about something eventually.
I pasted The Don's list of Brexits costs elsewhere, and got some new ones..
Here is the original list:
The £122bn budget shortfall
Additional funding for the NHS
Maintaining farming subsidies
Maintaining fishing subsidies
Indemnifying manufacturers against negative impacts of Brexit
£2bn a year for science and innovation
Replace EU investment for our poorest regions
Pay our EEA subscriptions
Pay for the department of Brexiting
Pay for the department of International Trade
Pay for bodies to set and enforce rules currently handled by the EU
Further examples:
Invest in waste projects to reduce landfill (eg. waste to energy)
The direct and consequential costs, arising from any changes to the free travel area between the UK and ROI
£800m per annum extra to meet our 0.7% international development commitment, since a portion of our present EU contribution counts towards that goal.
€40-€60bn exit bill to cover pension liabilities, unpaid commitments and loan guarantees.
Many shared resources, such as the European Medicines Agency which is responsible for scientific evaluation, supervision and safety monitoring of medicines for use in the EU; and the European Environment Agency, which provides independent information for policy makers and the public, to name but two... All such agencies, with the cost currently shared across the EU and EEA, will need to be set up from scratch in the UK, if we are to uphold our global regulatory and policy obligations.
European social funding planned would be honoured
Extra help in sports programs
A whole infrastructure of inventory units at uk ports and airport's to handle and check all goods coming to and from the EU because we are not in the customs union. And increased cost to business, with the delays and expense of goods having to go through those checks.
Employing lots more civil servants to manage the above?
Reduced taxation incomes from big business to encourage them to come here, but I suspect that will be offset by cutting benefits and increasing personal taxation or National Insurance.
The economic loss from signing a rushed 'distress' trade deal with the USA.
The reduction in economic productivity, due to being unable to attract talented people from overseas, either through outright controls, unworkable bureaucracy, or simply that they don't see the UK as a desirable place to live.
Here is the original list:
The £122bn budget shortfall
Additional funding for the NHS
Maintaining farming subsidies
Maintaining fishing subsidies
Indemnifying manufacturers against negative impacts of Brexit
£2bn a year for science and innovation
Replace EU investment for our poorest regions
Pay our EEA subscriptions
Pay for the department of Brexiting
Pay for the department of International Trade
Pay for bodies to set and enforce rules currently handled by the EU
Further examples:
Invest in waste projects to reduce landfill (eg. waste to energy)
The direct and consequential costs, arising from any changes to the free travel area between the UK and ROI
£800m per annum extra to meet our 0.7% international development commitment, since a portion of our present EU contribution counts towards that goal.
€40-€60bn exit bill to cover pension liabilities, unpaid commitments and loan guarantees.
Many shared resources, such as the European Medicines Agency which is responsible for scientific evaluation, supervision and safety monitoring of medicines for use in the EU; and the European Environment Agency, which provides independent information for policy makers and the public, to name but two... All such agencies, with the cost currently shared across the EU and EEA, will need to be set up from scratch in the UK, if we are to uphold our global regulatory and policy obligations.
European social funding planned would be honoured
Extra help in sports programs
A whole infrastructure of inventory units at uk ports and airport's to handle and check all goods coming to and from the EU because we are not in the customs union. And increased cost to business, with the delays and expense of goods having to go through those checks.
Employing lots more civil servants to manage the above?
Reduced taxation incomes from big business to encourage them to come here, but I suspect that will be offset by cutting benefits and increasing personal taxation or National Insurance.
The economic loss from signing a rushed 'distress' trade deal with the USA.
The reduction in economic productivity, due to being unable to attract talented people from overseas, either through outright controls, unworkable bureaucracy, or simply that they don't see the UK as a desirable place to live.
More likely he'll keep her to do anti-Russian cheerleading for the alt right, while he gets on with making deals with Putin behind the scenes. Stalin was also capable of negotiating with foreign powers while Pravda denounced them as imperialist warmongers. In June 1941 it turned out Pravda had been right the first time, but by then it was too late to avoid a lot of damage.
Hm, deals tend to revolve about each side giving something and expecting something in return. What can Putin offer Trump anyway? Stalin divided up Poland with Hitler, Trump has a lot to offer to Putin - but what can Putin offer Trump?
Trump doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would just dish out favors without expecting something in return.
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Style? Intelligence? Competence? The ability to have someone killed on the sly, no questions asked?
Trump manages his own style well enough, but intelligence and competence is not something Putin has to spare.
Killing people on the sly, no questions asked is an option, but getting away with it is not. He's already at odds with intelligence agencies, they would pick it up and expose him to the Congress for sure. Conspiring in an extrajudicial killing would be a bit hard to get away with.
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Extravagant praise on the world stage - something Trump appears to crave and be a complete sucker for.....that's it
...and maybe a few billion in deals for the Trump organisations that the President has fer surez distanced himself from
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It's a relative thing, like a one legged man helping a no legged man down the street.
The question is not whether he, trump, could get away with it but if he, Putin, could convince Trump he could get away with it.
When's Superb Owl Sunday? Isn't that when the Russians are supposed to invade?
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Do you mean what could Putin offer the US or what could Putin offer Trump? The latter seems like a longer list and probably more important to POTUS.
What Putin might offer Trump needn't even be as costly as Hitler's gift to Stalin of half of Poland. Putin might merely offer to keep some disagreeable pix out of the tabloids, and that could be enough to sway the mind of the POTUS.
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We have a Conservative PM who's daily transmogrifying into a Scarfe cartoon of Margaret Thatcher who is firmly wedging her nose up the backside of a US president fresh from the world of showbiz while the media mocks the leader of the Labour Party. If there was some decent comedy on BBC 2 I'd think I'd been transported back to the eighties.
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It's quite sickening what May is getting up to. Toadying up to Trump should see the people in revolt but I can only assume that a sizeable proportion of this odious little country actually are quite happy with May pallying up to Trump.
Other than joining ISIS I'm not sure what options I have left.
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If you come up with anything, let me know.
It just gets more and more depressing every day. When the best I can come up with is 'maybe Parliament will save us' it's a sad day.
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Mrs greebo pointed out a likeness between Mrs May and Mr Burns from the Simpsons after I mentioned she reminded me of Mrs Thatcher. She's not wrong!
In all fairness, there will be several million of us outwith Glasgow who are in the same position and are likely to do so come May.
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