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That would make the UK - US alliance a very special relationship. An "odd couple".Wow. Do you think in could be possible to declare Trump persona non grata in the UK?
Just did, hopefully there's some MPs out there willing to take up the cause.
asydhouse
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I've just signed it. Won't make a blind bit of difference, but forcing it to be discussed in Parliament is delicious, and it will also force him to know he's regarded as an ass in the UK by quite a few people.
His petty vindictiveness already made him an ass long before this last 12 months, when he built a wall overshadowing an old person's cottage on the coast in Scotland where he made a dishonest deal with the Scottish government, promising Alex Salmond that if they sold him a tract of environmentally protected land on the coast it would create thousands of jobs (in fact only a handful), and when this old person wouldn't sell her family home to him so that he wouldn't have her cottage in the view from his clubhouse, as if an old cottage was a blot on the scenic area he was destroying with his golf course, he built this vast wall only a few feet away from her home, an oppressive situation for her, and a vindictive and stupid and petty action from him... all of which is enough to make him unwelcome here. And Salmond a bloody fool.
His petty vindictiveness already made him an ass long before this last 12 months, when he built a wall overshadowing an old person's cottage on the coast in Scotland where he made a dishonest deal with the Scottish government, promising Alex Salmond that if they sold him a tract of environmentally protected land on the coast it would create thousands of jobs (in fact only a handful), and when this old person wouldn't sell her family home to him so that he wouldn't have her cottage in the view from his clubhouse, as if an old cottage was a blot on the scenic area he was destroying with his golf course, he built this vast wall only a few feet away from her home, an oppressive situation for her, and a vindictive and stupid and petty action from him... all of which is enough to make him unwelcome here. And Salmond a bloody fool.
It will never happen. Don't forget he's the guy who can stop the rain and make the sun shine........................ (well, at least in his mind)
Wow. Do you think in could be possible to declare Trump persona non grata in the UK?
No, we'd never do that.
We might arrange it so that the Queen has a diplomatic cold, and his State visited is hosted by Prince Charles who has views on climate change.
Lothian
should be banned
I don't think we can afford to piss anyone off in our post Brexit position. Trump will get the vip treatment. Kim Jong-un would get red carpets, genuflection from May and a UK stamp with his head on it if he would do any kind of deal.
CapelDodger
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I thought myself that the Queen, gawd bless 'er, could feel a diplomatic cold coming on. I'm sure Charles would relish the opportunity.We might arrange it so that the Queen has a diplomatic cold, and his State visited is hosted by Prince Charles who has views on climate change.
CapelDodger
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No not really, I was being ironic. I realise it doesn't work well on the interwebs but it's a habit I can't kick.
CapelDodger
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That idea is surely dawning in many minds.
The delicious thing is that Trump and Brexit are becoming entangled - just as May has become entangled with Trump by her hurried trip to his court.
P.J. Denyer
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No, we'd never do that.
We might arrange it so that the Queen has a diplomatic cold, and his State visited is hosted by Prince Charles who has views on climate change.
Yes, yes, yes, an extended dinner and the singular honour of a really, really, reh he heally long personal audience. Really long.
CapelDodger
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Nightmare scenario : the conversation turns to alternative medicine (yes, alternative like in facts) and they have a rare old time of it. Batty Prince Charlie is as unpredictable as Trump in many ways, and no more grounded in reality.
CapelDodger
Penultimate Amazing
It must have dawned on May by now that every time Trump does something strange or awful she'll be asked to comment, and often to condemn. It ruined her Turkey visit, and it's ruined her entire future, mark my words.
When she does condemn, however lightly, will Trump understand the political situation she's faced with and forgive? Once, maybe. Twice if something else is going on. Odds against rocket after that.
I don't think the profound difference between a British Cabinet and his Cabinet is within his intellectual grasp. There, I've said it.
When she does condemn, however lightly, will Trump understand the political situation she's faced with and forgive? Once, maybe. Twice if something else is going on. Odds against rocket after that.
I don't think the profound difference between a British Cabinet and his Cabinet is within his intellectual grasp. There, I've said it.
This would be a cruelty toward Prince Charles. You can't constrain this man to listen during hours at Trump's rants explaining how good, great, exceptionnal he his. Charles doesn't deserve this...
In fact nobody deserves this...
That's a good thing. There is time yet to make either her or Corbyn realize Tories are in a no-win situation if they're presented with a credible threat. They'll ruin their country and their party if they stay their course. Neither party minds the first apparently, but the second is very dear to Tories I imagine, and would probably fight in the streets, hills, homes and hearts to defend it. Imperiling that could well derail Brexit.
McHrozni
That's the kind of conclusion that a rational, balanced person would come to on reviewing the facts. The problem is that both May and Corbyn seem, for different reasons, to be dogmatically committed to Brexit regardless of the cost.
May - to she can be the second coming of Maggie Thatcher, "saving" Britain from horrible foreigners.
Corbyn - because he thinks that a workers' utopia will rise from the ashes of the post-Brexit UK economy as his 1960's 6th form teacher told him it would.
The trouble is that, IMO, May sees a messy and damaging Brexit as being the "making" of Britain in her image. It'll be a replay of Britain's glory days, a plucky retreat from Europe, just like Dunkirk, followed 10-15 years later by a glorious return to the heady heights of the 1950s before hippies, communists, darkies and teenagers ruined everything
That's the kind of conclusion that a rational, balanced person would come to on reviewing the facts. The problem is that both May and Corbyn seem, for different reasons, to be dogmatically committed to Brexit regardless of the cost.
May - to she can be the second coming of Maggie Thatcher, "saving" Britain from horrible foreigners.
Corbyn - because he thinks that a workers' utopia will rise from the ashes of the post-Brexit UK economy as his 1960's 6th form teacher told him it would.
Maybe, but wasn't Corbyn against Brexit initially?
The trouble is that, IMO, May sees a messy and damaging Brexit as being the "making" of Britain in her image. It'll be a replay of Britain's glory days, a plucky retreat from Europe, just like Dunkirk, followed 10-15 years later by a glorious return to the heady heights of the 1950s before hippies, communists, darkies and teenagers ruined everything
Yeah, I know. I hope you're wrong ... or at least Labour prefers to seize the moment and deal a stinging defeat to Tories by demanding a public debate of merits of a hard Brexit and demanding accountability for Tory plans (or lack thereof) and demanding they come up with contingencies and so on. Labour could win significant victories among non-deplorables by, well, acting like a Most Loyal Opposition should act, and if they lost and hard Brexit would still happen, they would have ample reasons to pin the blame on Tories and Tories alone. Basically opposing hard Brexit by demanding debate and justifications and plans and whatnot is a battle Labour can't lose - they can either win and force Theresa May into resignation, or they can lose the immediate battle but gain powerful weapons against Tories come next election.
Instead he demands his MPs vote for A50 no matter what, making extended debate in the Parliament unnecessary. After the prescribed three days Tories can just push for a vote and they'll win, and Labour will have little right to complain afterwards. How on Earth did such a moron win two Labour elections anyway?
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He's been anti-EU for most of his political career viewing it as a corporatist body focused on the suppression of workers' rights. As Labour leader he reluctantly assumed a Remain position for the referendum but his lack of enthusiasm was clear, not least when he appeared on The Last Leg announcing that his support for staying in the EU was "7 or 8 out of 10" before settling on "7 and a half".
That would require a Labour Party led by a professional politician (or class traitor depending on whether or not you're a Corbynista
). Corbyn wouldn't take a position which conflicts with his personal views. He literally doesn't it in him to lead the opposition IMO. Again, the actions of a professional politician, not the leader of the 6th form Socialist Society - which effectively IMO Corbyn is.
Because a large proportion of the Labour Party membership are the same as Corbyn (I speak from 20+ years bitter experience). Young or old, they share the same political ideology.
And like a certain other political leader he doesn't seem to let facts get in the way of his views. The EU has been the best safeguard of workers rights over the last couple of decades.
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