Brexit: Now What? Part II

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Darat said:
"Craven" - now I don't want to leave the EU but the leave side did win the referendum. As much as I have fantasies of the MPs telling us that we don't know what's good for us and not leaving the EU that really would be undemocratic and undermine our system of governance.
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No, it wouldn't. The system of governance in UK is that the Parliament reigns supreme and has the final say in all matters. The referendum could be 100-0 and if the Parliament voted against invoking A50, it wouldn't be invoked and the system of governance would remain in place.

What would truly upset the system of governance is a small plurality of the electorate dictating the course of actions for the parliament.

McHrozni
 
I found this interesting, I think it hasn't been linked yet:

http://www.economist.com/news/brita...ns-country-has-less-not-more-control-over-its

The curious thing is that Brexit was supposed to be about “taking back control”: immunising the country from foreign whim and interest, while asserting national dignity and independence. Increasingly that looks like a bad joke. The British elite feels it has no choice but to prostrate itself before an American president it clearly finds odious. To keep businesses from moving elsewhere, Britain may have to shadow EU regulations and pay into EU programmes without the chance to shape either. Its trade deals will be forged with a fraction of the negotiating force that has long promoted its interests. That means more concessions to the tariff and regulatory preferences of foreigners. Its application to become a full member of the World Trade Organisation is yet another opportunity for others to impose conditions and costs.

McHrozni
 
The Economist puts it very well, I think. Of course one can't put a value on "national dignity", but since that's already been trashed by having Boris "Basil" Johnson represent the nation it really doesn't matter.
 
Even in the unlikely event that the USA negotiates a free trade treaty in 90 days, the EU won't allow it to take force until after we leave the EU - which is likely to be March 2019 at the earliest.
 
ceptimus said:
How would that even be possible? Being in the single market means dealing with all the red tape.
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ceptimus said:
Anyway, the point I was making was that one of the reasons that Garrison suggested may have been in the minds of those voting 'leave' was nonsensical.
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Exactly, complete nonsense, what kind of idiot would believe that:

Boris Johnson: UK will 'still have access to single market’ despite Brexit

“British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market."
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Darat said:
"Craven" - now I don't want to leave the EU but the leave side did win the referendum. As much as I have fantasies of the MPs telling us that we don't know what's good for us and not leaving the EU that really would be undemocratic and undermine our system of governance. So I can't criticise Corbyn for voting for leave and telling his MPs they must abide by the referendum vote (I can criticise him for a lot of other things....).

Personally I would like to see parliament forcing a final referendum once we know the "deal" we will have when we leave (and of course that assumes the EU will let us do that after article 50 is invoked).
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Yes craven. Not looking out for the country's best interests, not following the clear message from Labour Party supporters who voted 2:1 to Remain. Instead parroting the "clear will of the people" line because it's his preferred choice all along.
 
The Don said:
Yes craven. Not looking out for the country's best interests, not following the clear message from Labour Party supporters who voted 2:1 to Remain. Instead parroting the "clear will of the people" line because it's his preferred choice all along.
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Quite possibly also a calculation that the Brexiteers are more likely to jump ship to UKIP than the Remainers are to jump ship to the Lib Dems and therefore pissing them off is more risky?

The whole thing is a bloody shambles
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Quite possibly also a calculation that the Brexiteers are more likely to jump ship to UKIP than the Remainers are to jump ship to the Lib Dems and therefore pissing them off is more risky?

The whole thing is a bloody shambles
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I'm looking forward to the report from the office for budget responsibility. (Are we going to get one of those?)
 
Tolls said:
An omnishambles, even.
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It's really quite bloody depressing. The whole thing has been the result of the tail wagging the dog and a concerted media campaign on one side and a lack of balls to counter it from the other. So we end up with UKIP being given prominence above their station and a populous worked up over ********.

Now we are knee deep in an endless pit of **** and the options before us seem to be to dive in head first or take off our shoes and trudge through it slowly.

Meanwhile across the ocean we have a complete clown seriously talking about torturing people and compiling registers of people of the wrong religion while fixating on how many morons he can get to come and watch him do it.

Right now 'undermining our system of governance' doesn't seem like an entirely bad thing given where it has gotten us.
 
I see that Theresa May is about to do a Neville Chamberlain imitation with her meeting with Trump,while the President of Mexico is playing Winston Churchill....
 
dudalb said:
I see that Theresa May is about to do a Neville Chamberlain imitation with her meeting with Trump,while the President of Mexico is playing Winston Churchill....
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It makes one proud that the UK is taking back its traditional position of bootlicker in chief. And also we can look forward in nationalistic glee to the £350 million a week flowing into US health insurance company coffers any week now
 
dudalb said:
I see that Theresa May is about to do a Neville Chamberlain imitation with her meeting with Trump ...
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I'm not so sure. She said some unkind things about Putin this evening, referencing Crimea by name, and got a rousing response from the Republicans she was addressing. Trump might decide she's a nasty woman after that.
 
Aepervius said:
See the positive aspect, in maybe the far future you can beg to be the 51st or 52th state ;) (heck maybe even before puerto rico).
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Rather depresingly that was probalby a lot of leading Brexiters plans
 
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