Bigfoot Follies: part trois

[AlaskaBushPilot]

That's pretty interesting.

Bigfoot is everywhere. Until you need to shoot one, and then Bigfoot is nowhere.

They do big game population sampling to manage them and you can look up the budgets for it by state. The first one I found was here:

file:///C:/Users/bob/Downloads/Inside%20Tracks%20Fall%202008.pdf

It's for Montana. Bigfoot country, allegedly.

$65K for six species, one year of counts: Elk, Mule Deer, Bighorn Sheep, Moose, Mountain Goat, and Whitetail Deer.

That's $1,100 per species.

 

[jaydeehess]

According to this group of geniuses, it's going to take anywhere from 30 million to a billion:
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/topic/55241-what-would-it-cost-to-get-a-voucher-specimen/
And some kind of sooper-seekrit seal team six to crack the defenses of the omnipotent footie. 'Cause human beings have hardly been able to adapt, survive, conquer and thrive in just about every latitude, ecosystem, environment and climate.

I decided to gamble some brain cells and read page one.
If those guys ever had to hunt for their own food they would starve.
Its a wonder that anyone hunts moose around here. The meat is not worth the apparent $millions it costs to find one.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

According to this group of geniuses, it's going to take anywhere from 30 million to a billion:
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/topic/55241-what-would-it-cost-to-get-a-voucher-specimen/
And some kind of sooper-seekrit seal team six to crack the defenses of the omnipotent footie. 'Cause human beings have hardly been able to adapt, survive, conquer and thrive in just about every latitude, ecosystem, environment and climate.

So now we have some data to compare. $1,100 per species for six big game species vs. the estimated $30 million lower bound for bigfoot.

At a minimum, it is 23,270 times more expensive to count a bigfoot population than a real one. It might be up to a million times more expensive.

That is an interesting example of Live Action play. Yes, of course what we are saying is plausible. When we are talking to other gamers.

But at the same time we can take car-camping trips at the cost of beer and gas to count Good-n-Plenty tossing Sasquatches at the perimeter of your campfire light. I see no contradiction here.

 

[Drewbot]

So now we have some data to compare. $1,100 11,000 Approx. per species for six big game species vs. the estimated $30 million lower bound for bigfoot.

At a minimum, it is 23,270 times more expensive to count a bigfoot population than a real one. It might be up to a million times more expensive.

That is an interesting example of Live Action play. Yes, of course what we are saying is plausible. When we are talking to other gamers.

But at the same time we can take car-camping trips at the cost of beer and gas to count Good-n-Plenty tossing Sasquatches at the perimeter of your campfire light. I see no contradiction here.

Your point still applies, it's cheap. But any footer seeing this, would jump all over that and discredit your point with it.

 

[Cervelo]

And Cap'n Crunch BLAARGs blithely on, as if no one has seen Lone Survivor.


How many times is he gonna relate this anecdote?

Pretty funny malarkey from the same guy that scurried out of the woods on a regular basis because......BIGFEETS!!!
I wonder if he's afraid of the dark like our resident "packin large" footer?

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Your point still applies, it's cheap. But any footer seeing this, would jump all over that and discredit your point with it.

Hey, thanks Drewbot. That did seem amazingly small.

Just like our BLAARGers - checking each other's math for precision on bigfoot enumeration survey costs.

 

[Drewbot]

I presented the simple survey option to the Footers. Single engine cessna, with 45 degree camera angle, with look down FLIR video, you then go back to the office and watch the video, counting the number of Bigfoots on the video.

This is how they survey Elk, Deer and other large animals.

The Cessna would be too loud the Footers said. As the deer and elk on the video stand perfectly still unaware that the plane several thousand feet away is even near them.

Article about the simple survey method http://visionairresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/FLIR_surveys-wildlife-professional.pdf

 

[Resume]

Pretty funny malarkey from the same guy that scurried out of the woods on a regular basis because......BIGFEETS!!!
I wonder if he's afraid of the dark like our resident "packin large" footer?

Currently -and this is hilarious- he is complaining on his posts being sent to the Campfire Stories subforum.
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/topic/55266-whos-the-jenius-with-a-j/

We must have a mole in moderation over there.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Blimp rentals:

https://www.bandago.com/blimp.html

$300 to $1200 a day. Probably depends on how many strippers you need for staff.

 

[gabeygoat]

Blimp rentals:

https://www.bandago.com/blimp.html

$300 to $1200 a day. Probably depends on how many strippers you need for staff.

Holy crap, I want to do this

 

[Cervelo]

Currently -and this is hilarious- he is complaining on his posts being sent to the Campfire Stories subforum.
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/topic/55266-whos-the-jenius-with-a-j/

We must have a mole in moderation over there.

While I certainly love seeing him revealing himself to be the crybaby he is, and I'm not defending him by any means. Rest assured that MB/Masterbarber is not by any means a "stand up guy", when I got banned from BFF (Bigfoot Fantasy W/Friends) there was never a response to my inquiry in regards to the explanation given for me being banned. The "King Poop of Turd Island" mentality reigns supreme in their little world. They don't like being challenged when busted for BS calls.

 

[Craig B]

... "King Poop of Turd Island" ...

That is very appropriate. In this discussion the absence of any tracks in Alaskan winter snow cover is explained by the suggestion that the bigfoots build substantial winter shelters which they never leave, heating them with a mixture of plant material and their own fermenting faeces forming a compost. They live on frozen meat, thawed as required in proximity to this warmth-producing compost.

In spring they apparently totally dismantle these dwelling structures so that nothing is left for researchers to examine.

This seems very strange indeed.

 

[Cervelo]

That is very appropriate. In this discussion the absence of any tracks in Alaskan winter snow cover is explained by the suggestion that the bigfoots build substantial winter shelters which they never leave, heating them with a mixture of plant material and their own fermenting faeces forming a compost. They live on frozen meat, thawed as required in proximity to this warmth-producing compost.

In spring they apparently totally dismantle these dwelling structures so that nothing is left for researchers to examine.

This seems very strange indeed.

It's astoundingly stupid, but that's why it's called Bigfoot Fantasy w/Friends.
The discussion while entertaining is based on these giant leaps of fantastically ignorant conjecture, that completely ignores simple facts about the history of flora and fauna in the continental U.S.
Here's a "Duh" moment for the Bigfoot ignoramus association....if Bigfoot where hanging out eating deer, that species would have come into contact with us centuries ago during our march towards the near extinction of white tail deer east of the Mississippi River.
Just a simple bit of research would reveal the reality of the Bigfoot phenomenon as nothing but a social construct. Which in itself is fascinating and perhaps worthy of study.

 

[Resume]

It's astoundingly stupid, but that's why it's called Bigfoot Fantasy w/Friends.
The discussion while entertaining is based on these giant leaps of fantastically ignorant conjecture, that completely ignores simple facts about the history of flora and fauna in the continental U.S.
Here's a "Duh" moment for the Bigfoot ignoramus association....if Bigfoot where hanging out eating deer, that species would have come into contact with us centuries ago during our march towards the near extinction of white tail deer east of the Mississippi River.
Just a simple bit of research would reveal the reality of the Bigfoot phenomenon as nothing but a social construct. Which in itself is fascinating and perhaps worthy of study.

The natural history of North America automatically debunks all bigfootery claims. Existence is demonstrable and the existence of a 6 to 9-ft bipedal ape would have been demonstrated a very long time ago in a first conflict with the only actual ape native to the continent. There would have been many subsequent conflicts, with plenty of physical evidence from bones to skulls to skins, all long before the first Europeans set foot. And if there were any bigfoot left, those Europeans would have had the same experiences and collected the same evidence.

There is no bigfoot.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Skeptics visiting Bigfoot Fora report there are gamers who are so preposterous, even for a 'footer, that their narratives are sent to "campfire stories" i.e. lies or fantasma.

That proves up on the "plausible deniability" principle. When Bigfoot Live Action Alternate Reality Gaming, one denies it is a game. This assertion is not plausible if every bigfoot story is gleefully accepted.

This is by default true whenever a hoax is proven to certainty - like when your ice melts and it is a suit inside the frozen block. But it is also true while live action gaming.

There is a role for a gamer to fill here: to be the one so enthusiastic about bigfoot that your stories have to be sent to the "lies and fantasma" page of a Live Action Gaming discussion board.

So he's happy. See: Bob Denver, Gilligan's Island.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Holy crap, I want to do this

On further thought, I agree. In fact, I had no idea it was this reasonable. So much so that it seems well-within crowd-sourcing as an experimental demonstration how stupid the bigfoot hypothesis is.

With a blimp you can bring up a team, use FLIR or whatever too - buy second-hand stuff Wally Hersom bought for these fakers. Have a ground team too, of volunteers doing game drives and grid counting Elk Pooh simultaneously...

Collect two sets of data on the animals detected, scat, foraging evidence, etc... and then the evidence on bigfoot. We'll need a few hundred gigabytes ram on the bigfoot evidence storage and processing computer. A warehouse for the bones.

The participants sign NDA's: Non Dummy-up Agreements. You promise to squeal. Far and wide. But to be honest. Pictures, films, data spreadsheets, etc.

We are talking single-digit thousands to do it at all if people pay their own way to come. Strippers and cowboy cut rib-eye steaks for the organizers are going to push it into five figures, but we'll still stay in tents. If I have anything to say about it, anyway.

The Falcon Project wanted $300,000 so that is a great example of how a faker would do things. Merldumb raised $12K for it. That's enough for us to do a real proof-of-concept skeptical project right there. A world class project could be done for a fraction of Merldumb's figure.

We'll have a drone team too. Is there like an executive seat, I mean cot, trick-shack for these blimps?

Ideally, you time it simultaneously with a BFRO expedition.

 

[HarryHenderson]

...Ideally, you time it simultaneously with a BFRO expedition.

The best idea I've heard all day. A guest appearance they never see coming. "Oh **** what's that? Mommie!"

 

[Drewbot]

All this talk about disproving bigfoot seems like we are just trying to actually untie the Gordian knot that the Bigfooters have tied up, and set out for us to untie.

I say we cut the knot in half.

"It makes no difference how they are loosed"- Alexander III of Macedon

Here we are trying to untie it, and checkmate the Footers, when it's just a fool's game.

I say we crowdsource a short Youtube video displaying all the real scientist's opinions of Bigfoot, and put an end to this.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Just checking in to a BF thread for a change.
So, no Bigfoot specimen captured or brought out of the bush dead yet I see.

Gotta be soon though, right?

Let's push for the last day of this year, if he hasn't been bagged by then, I'm owed a massively unprecedented purse of £50 from our very own Indiana Jones of Bigfootery, Northern Lights.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Here we are trying to untie it, and checkmate the Footers, when it's just a fool's game.

That's the thing, there's never going to be any checkmate either way, and Bigfooters know this as much as the sceptics do.

Bigfoot can never be found, not because he's fantastic at Hide and Seek, but because he's non-existent, so this back and forth is essentially going to go on until someone gets bored and moves onto something else. It's the very reason why everyone involved perishes with the "mystery" still unsolved. Krantz and the like, all snuffed it without any indication that their lifetime hobby was worth the effort, and it'll be true of Meldrum and everyone else.

I saw Todd Dissotel pimping himself out on the History channel the other day, some incredibly pathetic series regarding Giants in the USA...Can't remember the name, but it was truly woeful. Still, at least Todd got rid of the mohawk/moustache combo.