The All Purpose Hillary Clinton Thread

The Atheist said:
Good to see you agreeing that Trump is unethical for being secretive about his tax returns.
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Congrats on spinning my comment. I concede you may be right. On the other hand, it would be huge distraction for Hillary to divert attention from her failings. MAYBE that is the reason.

Apart from hyperbole which Trump openly admits to, do you have any hard facts that Trump has personally engaged in unethical behavior. The admission about groping women does not count. He states that they "let you". Consent is not assault. And there is no evidence of any criminal complaint against him. And no corroboration of the various women with claims.

How about Hillary and her reputation among the public for being "secretive" about many things.

I hear the "spin" is that it is okay because all politicians do things for their own benefit, and are untrustworthy. Apparently the same standard does not apply to Trump because he is not a politician.
 
PartSkeptic said:
Congrats on spinning my comment. I concede you may be right. On the other hand, it would be huge distraction for Hillary to divert attention from her failings. MAYBE that is the reason.
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No the reason is that Trump has made statements and claims that can only be proved or disproved if he releases his tax returns, the very thing every other candidate has done for the last 40 years.

Apart from hyperbole which Trump openly admits to, do you have any hard facts that Trump has personally engaged in unethical behavior. The admission about groping women does not count. He states that they "let you". Consent is not assault. And there is no evidence of any criminal complaint against him. And no corroboration of the various women with claims.
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Sorry you don't get to apply an arbitrary and false standard to those claims. For one thing a number of the women who have come forward do have corroboration, and as to the idea that 'they let you' implied consent in the context of the remarks, that is simply disgusting. But if you want other examples; there's stiffing contractors, using his foundation to pay money to Pam Bondi (and getting fined for it), and of course Trump U, which may be criminal as well as unethical.

How about Hillary and her reputation among the public for being "secretive" about many things.
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Maybe being secretive is a habit you pick up when people have been picking your life apart for anything they can spin into an attack on you for 20 odd years.

I hear the "spin" is that it is okay because all politicians do things for their own benefit, and are untrustworthy. Apparently the same standard does not apply to Trump because he is not a politician.
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The same standard does apply. That's why people expect him to meet the standard and make his tax returns public amongst other things. There are some basic standards presidential candidates are expected to meet, Trump falls short on all of them.
 
Not a big surprise: The New Yorker endorses Hillary Clinton.

The long editorial is worth a read.

Three paragraphs:
Despite the conspiratorial conjectures of Clinton’s opponents, her politics hide in plain sight. She is a committed progressive on many issues, including the rights of women and minorities; gun laws (she would expand background checks, close gun-show and Internet-sales loopholes, and repeal legislation that immunizes the gun industry from liability litigation); and, more recently, immigration (where she favors comprehensive reform, a pathway to citizenship, and an end to family detention).
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For the most part, however, Clinton is distrusted in ways that have little to do with her own choices, beyond the choice to be part of public life. She has been the target of twenty-five years of hatred, misogyny, and conspiracy-mongering, endlessly metamorphosing from one confected “scandal” to another—Filegate, Benghazi, the State Department e-mails. As each one has proved to be more smoke than fire, the fury has found another target. Now attention has moved to the WikiLeaks dump of her staff’s e-mail. Thanks to the tradecraft of what appears to be Putin’s hackers and his fond desire to unnerve the American political class, we now know that Clinton’s aides exchange fevered political calculations; that they say in private what they might not on television; that they make the occasional thoughtless or arrogant remark. Not since the release of the Nixon White House tapes has any political figure had private communications subjected to this degree of public scrutiny. Yet no dark alter ego has emerged. Whatever Americans think about Hillary Clinton, we cannot say that we don’t know her. We do know her. And there is a great deal to admire.
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Just as President Obama was able at certain moments of glaring injustice and crisis to focus the country on matters of race in a potentially lasting way, Hillary Clinton, who has emphasized in her campaign and throughout her political life such issues as early-childhood education, paid family leave, and equal pay, could also change the nation in deeply consequential ways. That’s a thrilling possibility for all Americans.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/the-new-yorker-endorses-hillary-clinton
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PartSkeptic said:
Congrats on spinning my comment. I concede you may be right. On the other hand, it would be huge distraction for Hillary to divert attention from her failings. MAYBE that is the reason.

Apart from hyperbole which Trump openly admits to, do you have any hard facts that Trump has personally engaged in unethical behavior. The admission about groping women does not count. He states that they "let you". Consent is not assault. And there is no evidence of any criminal complaint against him. And no corroboration of the various women with claims.

How about Hillary and her reputation among the public for being "secretive" about many things.

I hear the "spin" is that it is okay because all politicians do things for their own benefit, and are untrustworthy. Apparently the same standard does not apply to Trump because he is not a politician.
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Here's a cheat sheet to the many scandals of Donald Trump

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

The 2016 presidential election could be the most scandal-plagued match-up since 1884 when James Blaine’s allegedly corrupt business deals squared off against Grover Cleveland’s alleged illegitimate child. On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton is the nominee, bringing with her a train-car’s worth of baggage. But the Republican candidate is at least as saddled with controversy as Clinton is—and while many of the Clinton cases involve suspicion and shadowy links, many of Trump’s are fully documented in court cases and legal proceedings.

The breadth of Trump’s controversies is truly yuge, ranging from allegations of mafia ties to unscrupulous business dealings, and from racial discrimination to alleged marital rape. They stretch over more than four decades, from the mid-1970s to the present day. To catalogue the full sweep of allegations would require thousands of words and lump together the trivial with the truly scandalous. Including business deals that have simply failed, without any hint of impropriety, would require thousands more. This is a snapshot of some of the most interesting and largest of those scandals.
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Trump's dishonesty is in another league to any serious presidential candidate for at least a century.
 
Here are some excerpts from a Republican satirist. The whole article is worth reading but these are worth posting.

(My own opinion is that Trump is not the Devil the media makes him out to be.)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...orsing-hillary-clinton-the-devil-we-know.html

P.J. O’Rourke: I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton, the Devil We Know

…I endorse Hillary Clinton for president. She is the second-worst thing that could happen to America. I endorse her. And all her pomps. And all her empty promises

… What kind of witch hunt leaves goodwife Hillary not dunked in a pond? Wicked and all wet though she is, I pledge my all to aid Hillary in confining Donald Trump to the stocks on the It-Takes-A-Village green. (Bernie’s already been pressed under heavy stones—a real pair of stones—Hillary’s.)

… Hillary is wrong about everything. She is to politics and statecraft what Pope Urban VIII and the Inquisition were to Galileo. She thinks the sun revolves around herself.

… Better a mangy cat than a rabid dog.

… Hillary, you are the crone in crony capitalism. I endorse you.

… Hillary, I endorse you although you don’t belong in power—you picture of self-satisfaction out of doors. Count me the Iago of your supporters, you ding-dong bell in your West Wing, wild-cat in your can’t-stand-the-heat-get-out-of-the-kitchen, plaster saint in your injuries, player in your housewifery, and housewife in your bed. (Sorry, my mistake, that’s somebody else’s wife in bed with your husband.)

… You’re a smug one, Hillary,
You really are a snoot,
You’re as cuddly as a cactus, you’re as charming as a newt, Hillary,
You’re a bad banana in an garish and expensive power suit!

You’re a limousine liberal, Hillary,
Your heart’s an empty hole,
Your brain is full of Sidney Blumenthal, you have boiled kale in your soul, Hillary,
I endorse you with a thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole!
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thaiboxerken said:
It was just locker-room talk.
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No, she's an *******. But more importantly it shows the true character of her, the way she treats people who serve and protect her. Loser leftists won't care, because most of them are exactly like her.
 
This post is inspired by the rot in South Africa. One man, President Jacob Zuma, making appointments in all the key areas, and they make appointments and so on and so on. He is now almost untouchable and ruining the country. Unless we have a revolt.

So, be careful what you guys wish for.

They say a fish rots from the head down. If (Rotten?) Hillary is appointed the head of the USA, I wonder what state it will in when she leaves.

Take the case of the New Jersey Six Flags Park. (Great place. I liked it and took my kids there). It was sold on the basis that it would remain an environmental swamp of sorts. The parking lots came quickly as did the law suits. The Wall Street Journal reported (I remember reading this on one of my many business flights) that there were 3 rulings in favor of the developer over a number of years. In each case the judge retired and got a lucrative position in a law firm associated with the developer.

I wonder what Hillary's "retirement" package will be? And who the highest bidder will be. And how much a "parking lot" the USA will become?

In which country will she have her palace/mansion?

I could not take the rot and crime and racism in the USA in the early 1990's (David Dinkins NYC) and I left.
 
Mmmm hmmmm? And how does that make you feel?

(Sorry, but if you're going to have conversations with yourself covering broad ranges of what are apparently supposed to be connected items, with no links or substantive proof, I'm just going to respond as your therapist would.)
 
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