Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

[Foolmewunz]

He had you until then?

J/K... a hundred million techheads around the world rolled their eyes (me too) when he stumbled his way through that one.

Well, he had me...... able to at least find a subject, predicate and object in most of his sentences. The "ramble" was incomprehensible. I still can't figure out what he thinks Teh Cyber is.

 

[SezMe]

At times, I have had to tip my cap to Trump in how he has manipulated the media. His day after day after day of saying something outrageous in some way has been brilliant. Now most of those things were stupid and not really doable. ButbTrump has been changing the subject so often the details of his bs gets lost in the tornado which is Trump. He's been a magician constantly misdirecting the focus. His problem though is how he is easily baited and can't resist striking back.

Agreed. And yet his success at this is its own fatal flaw. You can be outrageous only so many times. You can fire up the crowd a limited number of times before it becomes old hat. You can get media ink and face-time only so often before the attention turns elsewhere.

Without much basis, I sense we're at (or beyond?) that point. Don the Con seemed a bit subdued today. Pence is mailing it in. I suspect many in the Trump camp want this farce to be over as much as I do.

 

[a_unique_person]

With government money. Bad idea.

Hey. That's not Government money, that's our money the government stole off us.

 

[SezMe]

The moral shortcoming is in deciding that political preferences are more important than decency.

I have a friend in Texas who thinks HRC is far more immoral than Trump and he can cite examples as his basis for his opinion. I disagree with his view AND his evidence but I cannot call him immoral.

For the past 30 years the Republicans have endlessly droned on and on about how immoral both Clintons are. In Texas - and in many other places - that immorality is gospel. Consider AM talk radio. The top 20 talk shows are nearly all right wing and some, like Michael Savage, are waaaaaayy out there. Add in Hannity, Beck, Jones, et. al. and you have a media environment that is toxic and very difficult to overcome.

Some of Trumps supporters are trash like the KKK and other white nationalists. But to lump all of his supporters into that same category is a logical error. Aren't we against logical errors here?

 

[SezMe]

They don't have to vote for a racist piece of trash. They choose to.

**** every single person that votes for him.

Hillary is not like every politician. She is the one candidate who has every wrong policy.

Do either of you recognize that you are basically soul mates. You live in a blinkered, black-and-white world that bears at most a passing linkage to reality. You both have abandoned nuance for bravado. Thinking for gut reaction. Reality for fantasy.

I say "Bah!" on everyone who succumbs to such simplistic thinking.

 

[Tony Stark]

Do either of you recognize that you are basically soul mates. You live in a blinkered, black-and-white world that bears at most a passing linkage to reality. You both have abandoned nuance for bravado. Thinking for gut reaction. Reality for fantasy.

I say "Bah!" on everyone who succumbs to such simplistic thinking.

It isn't fantasy to say that 100% of Trump voters are racist or OK with racism. It is a fact.

 

[acbytesla]

It isn't fantasy to say that 100% of Trump voters are racist or OK with racism. It is a fact.

I wouldn't go that far Tony. I definitely know some that aren't. Trump is speaking the truth about how the system is broken. Hell, everyone can see that. And people see Hillary as part of that system. They see globalism as the hammer that drove away the good jobs and that's not entirely false. But it's not entirely true either. The issues are much more nuanced than they can comprehend. Many just see the multinational corporation doing well and themselves barely scraping by having to compete with cheap foreign labor from abroad and immigrants some of whom are here illegally.

But the problem in their calculation is Trump. Not only is he entirely incompetent and incapable of helping anyone but himself, he has ZERO interest in other people's problems. The man is 70 years old and its not in his character to care about others and never has been. Trump is a used car salesman like Kurt Russell in the movie Used Cars, but even less principled.

Yes, a great many of Trump supporters are racists, but that broad brush is as oversimplified as Trump's rhetoric.

 

[Tony Stark]

I wouldn't go that far Tony. I definitely know some that aren't. Trump is speaking the truth about how the system is broken. Hell, everyone can see that. And people see Hillary as part of that system. They see globalism as the hammer that drove away the good jobs and that's not entirely false. But it's not entirely true either. The issues are much more nuanced than they can comprehend. Many just see the multinational corporation doing well and themselves barely scraping by having to compete with cheap foreign labor from abroad and immigrants some of whom are here illegally.

But the problem in their calculation is Trump. Not only is he entirely incompetent and incapable of helping anyone but himself, he has ZERO interest in other people's problems. The man is 70 years old and its not in his character to care about others and never has been. Trump is a used car salesman like Kurt Russell in the movie Used Cars, but even less principled.

Yes, a great many of Trump supporters are racists, but that broad brush is as oversimplified as Trump's rhetoric.

No, not all of them are racists. Some of them just OK with it. Evidenced by the fact that they're voting for him.

If Trump supporters don't want people to think that they're racists or accepting of racism, they have the option of not being Trump supporters.

 

[Firestone]

It was smart (and transparent) of the Trump campaign to let him deliver his "Gettysburg address" after the debates.

Trump would have been unable to elaborate on the details of his proposals.

 

[NoahFence]

How do you know my comparison wasn't the other way round?

That's the point. People filter the candidates based on their own subjective reasoning and biases. It's why we vote. It's why my vote counts the same as Sean Carroll's or that smelly old bat with the limp and three dozen cats.

Comparing her to either is blindingly stupid. She's fit not a one thing in common with either.

 

[Belz...]

Its tacit approval of his behavior. Period, full stop.

Trump's behaviour, sure; not other supporters' behaviour.

You think Trump supporters can think?

Now you're just posting nonsense. You've been on this forum long enough to know that you can't just lump so many people together and make any general claim about them. Any such claim is ideological, not rational.

Supporting Trump is the only criteria required to determine that someone is deplorable.

That is not the claim I was addressing. Was this a mistake on your part, or was it deliberate?

 

[Belz...]

When I hear a blanket statement like "all of X's policies are wrong", I don't see subjectivity but groupthink or hidebound partisanship.

I have the same thought about blanket statements like "all of X's supporters are deplorable".

 

[Molinaro]

That is not the claim I was addressing. Was this a mistake on your part, or was it deliberate?

I know that was not the point you were addressing. I was pointing out that you were missing the point that was being made.

 

[Tony Stark]

Donald apparently wants to do another debate.

LOL, so desperate.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...y-trump-would-be-willing-to-do-another-debate

 

[Slowvehicle]

I obviously do not support Trump either.

Your evasion is noted, as is your incorrect use of the term, "obviously".

TYVM

 

[SezMe]

It isn't fantasy to say that 100% of Trump voters are racist or OK with racism. It is a fact.

Yes it is. I know some Trump supporters who are not racist. So does acbytesla. Therefore your assertion is proven false. You do remember you are on a skeptics board, right?

There are people voting for Trump for reasons different from his racism. That you don't see that is quite baffling.

Your dogmatic posts leave you with little credibility - at least with me. Do you believe BobTheCoward posts? No, I didn't think so but you also know now why I hold your posts with the same level of esteem.

 

[Tony Stark]

Yes it is. I know some Trump supporters who are not racist. So does acbytesla. Therefore your assertion is proven false. You do remember you are on a skeptics board, right?

There are people voting for Trump for reasons different from his racism. That you don't see that is quite baffling.

Your dogmatic posts leave you with little credibility - at least with me. Do you believe BobTheCoward posts? No, I didn't think so but you also know now why I hold your posts with the same level of esteem.

I didn't say that they are all racists. Some of them are just ok with racism. Proven by the fact that they are voting for a racist.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Yes it is. I know some Trump supporters who are not racist. So does acbytesla. Therefore your assertion is proven false. You do remember you are on a skeptics board, right?

There are people voting for Trump for reasons different from his racism. That you don't see that is quite baffling.

Your dogmatic posts leave you with little credibility - at least with me. Do you believe BobTheCoward posts? No, I didn't think so but you also know now why I hold your posts with the same level of esteem.

Tony's pointed it out already, but it deserves repeating: At this juncture, people voting for Trump are either racists or are willing to support racism.

One of the dominant themes of Trump's candidacy is his racism (or give him the same break as the supporters... his enabling of and pandering to racists; it's a distinction with out a difference from where many of us sit). Anyone who is willing to vote for someone with that strike against him is either a racist themselves or is willing to give him a pass on the issue. That, too, is a distinction without a difference.

Mary-Joe Biblethumper was interviewed in Iowa last week. She's appalled by his statements about women. But her issue is Abortion, so she's willing to say "well, boys will be boys", is still appalled by it, but is voting for him. I'd say that Mary-Joe is "okay with his misogyny". Wouldn't a reasonable person agree.

Same same when it comes to Bobby White Collar. "Me, some of my best friends are black people. Work with one every day and he's a real stand up guy. So, no, I don't agree with some of those racist statements and I'd sure like Mr. Trump to be more clear that that's not clear but I'm okay with that part of him because he stands for so much more that I agree with.

Yeah,... all that other stuff may be more important to them. That does not mean that they are necessarily not racists or not okay with racism. These are not mutually exclusive conditions.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

1) Again, I find it a sad and depressing world view if one can paint roughly 4 out of 10 of his fellow citizens as "vile scum".

2) As far as the point of view that "Hillary is worse" - which I emphatically do NOT share...

We watched the national debt more than double under Obama, to about $20 trillion. Is there a reason to suspect Hillary will rein in the exploding debt? Or will or continue it's geometric growth to perhaps $40 trillion while she crows about "cutting the deficit".

We've watched around 400,000 Syrians die with whatever our course is in that country. If Hillary continues on the same course, is 800,000 dead Syrians a few years from now acceptable?

Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid and Obamacare are becoming a larger and larger problem, and together with exploding debt could figuratively bankrupt the country without some steps being taken. Will we be happy with 4 or 8 more years of Democratic "whistling past the graveyard" and the eventual collapse or severe curtailment of these programs?

I'm NOT blindly assuming the Republicans could do a better job, nor that Trump has any articulable plans to deal with the above. Just that some Trump supporters see him as an alternative to a dystopian future that the envision Hillary leading them into. Which, in my book, perhaps makes them misguided - but hardly deserving of the invective heaped upon them by some here.

 

[Tony Stark]

1) Again, I find it a sad and depressing world view if one can paint roughly 4 out of 10 of his fellow citizens as "vile scum".

Why? The US fought a civil war because part of the country wanted to keep their "right" to own slaves. And then the same part of the country continued to oppress black people for 100 years until the federal government (partly) forced them to stop. You think that all just went away in 50 years?

2) As far as the point of view that "Hillary is worse" - which I emphatically do NOT share...

We watched the national debt more than double under Obama, to about $20 trillion. Is there a reason to suspect Hillary will rein in the exploding debt? Or will or continue it's geometric growth to perhaps $40 trillion while she crows about "cutting the deficit".

We've watched around 400,000 Syrians die with whatever our course is in that country. If Hillary continues on the same course, is 800,000 dead Syrians a few years from now acceptable?

Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid and Obamacare are becoming a larger and larger problem, and together with exploding debt could figuratively bankrupt the country without some steps being taken. Will we be happy with 4 or 8 more years of Democratic "whistling past the graveyard".

I'm NOT blindly assuming the Republicans could do a better job, nor that Trump has any articulable plans to deal with the above. Just that some Trump supporters see him as an alternative to a dystopian future that the envision Hillary leading them into. Which, in my book, perhaps makes them misguided - but hardly deserving of the invective heaped upon them by some here.

Trump would without any doubt whatsoever make the national debt worse, so any of his supporters who are super concerned about that are *********** idiots in addition to being racists/ok with racism.