Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

Molinaro said:
Supporting Trump is the only criteria required to determine that someone is deplorable. This nonsense of yours about them having a varied level of worth is meaningless. There is only 1 thing under consideration and that 1 thing is sufficient to declare them all as deplorable.

You cannot support Trump and remain a respectable human being. That act of supporting him throws you in the gutter with him.
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Hate to say it, but that is nearly as over the top as anything I have heard from the Trump camp.

You have the hardcore Trump supporters, who I would agree are deplorable in their bigotry,and you have the the Republcians who really don't like Trump very much, but think he is the lesser of two evils. I could not disagree more, but I would call it a error in polticial judgement,not a moral shortcoming.
 
dudalb said:
I half expect to hear Maculay McCulkin to come forth saying Trump made a pass at him when he was filming Trump's cameo in Home Alone 2.
This a joke, folks.......
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That's a vile, scurrilous, libelous thing to say about Trump! His spokespeople assure the nation that when he made the pass he truly thought Culkin was a girl.
 
Argumemnon said:
Irrelevant. It is irrational to consider that all of those who are planning on voting for Trump somehow are supporting this sort of behaviour.
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Absolutely agreed.

I know a few people who honestly believe that Hillary Clinton would be worse for our country than Trump, although they do not like Trump. They have bought into the story that Hillary is exceptionally crooked, interested only in herself and willing to bring the country to ruin if it profits her. They view Trump as a loose cannon, but less likely to harm the nation than Hillary.

Obviously, I think they're grossly mistaken, that they are ignorant of both the dangers that Trump poses and Clinton's actual record.

But they are not fundamentally bad people. They don't deserve to be called scum just because they think that Trump is the lesser evil.
 
phiwum said:
Absolutely agreed.

I know a few people who honestly believe that Hillary Clinton would be worse for our country than Trump, although they do not like Trump. They have bought into the story that Hillary is exceptionally crooked, interested only in herself and willing to bring the country to ruin if it profits her. They view Trump as a loose cannon, but less likely to harm the nation than Hillary.

Obviously, I think they're grossly mistaken, that they are ignorant of both the dangers that Trump poses and Clinton's actual record.

But they are not fundamentally bad people. They don't deserve to be called scum just because they think that Trump is the lesser evil.
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Trump is a racist piece of garbage who started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists. 100% of people that vote for him are racists or ok with racism. Scum.
 
Tony Stark said:
Trump is a racist piece of garbage who started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists. 100% of people that vote for him are racists or ok with racism. Scum.
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A remarkable example of your usual subtlety and sophistication.
 
Tony Stark said:
Trump is a racist piece of garbage who started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists. 100% of people that vote for him are racists or ok with racism. Scum.
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Or maybe they are just against abortion.

With so many available single-issues, it's awful hard to settle on just which issue it might be the single-issue voter is paying attention to. Same with Hillary.
 
marplots said:
Or maybe they are just against abortion.

With so many available single-issues, it's awful hard to settle on just which issue it might be the single-issue voter is paying attention to. Same with Hillary.
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So what I said. They find it acceptable for the President to be a racist piece of trash so long as he claims he is against abortion.
 
phiwum said:
A remarkable example of your usual subtlety and sophistication.
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I love your Let's Be Reasonable approach. I'm to respect the informed voters whose litmus test is either "Reverse Roe V. Wade", "Kill ACA/Obamacare", or "Deport Funny Looking/Believing Foreigners"? How can I actually respect idiots?

Do you not find it conceivable that someone would hate racism so much that this could be our litmus test. That anyone who, based on any excuse, is willing to hand the country over to racist leadership is dangerous, immoral, and to be fought against? Tony's just a little more melodramatic about it and uses the terms of the streets in this battle, but my opinions do not differ that much.

"Oh, let's be fair and all get along" requires that I treat reprehensible bigots kindly? No thanks.
 
dudalb said:
I could not disagree more, but I would call it a error in polticial judgement,not a moral shortcoming.
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The moral shortcoming is in deciding that political preferences are more important than decency.
 
marplots said:
Or maybe they are just against abortion.

With so many available single-issues, it's awful hard to settle on just which issue it might be the single-issue voter is paying attention to. Same with Hillary.
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It's hard to reconcile an anti-abortion position so extreme you would overlook putting an incompetent, mentally ill narcissist at the helm of the US government given the potential damage that will no doubt do.
 
Tony Stark said:
So what I said. They find it acceptable for the President to be a racist piece of trash so long as he claims he is against abortion.
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That's how single-issue works. We could say it the other way around: "They find it acceptable for the President to murder babies so long as she isn't a racist."

The difference is how you rank the variables. In all cases, I'd prefer a candidate who aligned with all my views, but this is so rare it seems impossible. If we say there are a dozen important issues one can be for or against, that gives 212 possible mixtures a candidate may have. Even if that's an overestimate (since presumably some issue pair better), only five groups of issues still gets you to 32 combinations.

Should I vote based on who supports kelp reforestation or privatizing sand dunes? Or, should I toss all that and just vote for someone I think is a nice/decent person? Should I vote to prevent something from happening or in the hopes something else might?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's hard to reconcile an anti-abortion position so extreme you would overlook putting an incompetent, mentally ill narcissist at the helm of the US government given the potential damage that will no doubt do.
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What if they have no other choice? It's not like there are that many candidates to choose from. Presumably, our hypothetical anti-abortion voter already tried to get someone else in the run-up. Someone else who is no longer in the race.
 
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marplots said:
That's how single-issue works. We could say it the other way around: "They find it acceptable for the President to murder babies so long as she isn't a racist."

The difference is how you rank the variables. In all cases, I'd prefer a candidate who aligned with all my views, but this is so rare it seems impossible. If we say there are a dozen important issues one can be for or against, that gives 212 possible mixtures a candidate may have. Even if that's an overestimate (since presumably some issue pair better), only five groups of issues still gets you to 32 combinations.

Should I vote based on who supports kelp reforestation or privatizing sand dunes? Or, should I toss all that and just vote for someone I think is a nice/decent person? Should I vote to prevent something from happening or in the hopes something else might?
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That's a lot of words to say yeah Trump voters do find it acceptable for the President to be a racist piece of garbage.
 
Tony Stark said:
Trump is a racist piece of garbage who started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists. 100% of people that vote for him are racists or ok with racism. Scum.
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Everyone's racist. Tribal if you want to use a softer term. Trump brings it out in people, even people who I basically consider decent though I know you disagree.

ETA: It's not the extremists supporting him who are the greater danger. I think it's useful to differentiate, especially if you want dialog with those who haven't quite made up their minds. IMO sound persuasion is more critical now than condemnation. I heard a conversation today between 2 "independents" (I'm never really sure people are). "You know what you'll get with Hillary," said the male speaker. "But the other one is scary too," said the female speaker. Strangers, a cashier and a customer. I don't think it's helpful at this point to match right-wing vitriol with left-wing vitriol. But, obviously you feel like you can do no other than condemn Trump and all his supporters in the strongest possible terms.
 
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Tony Stark said:
That's a lot of words to say yeah Trump voters do find it acceptable for the President to be a racist piece of garbage.
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Not at all. But if they don't have another, better choice, what should they do, move to Canada?

I don't think you are getting the nuances here. It isn't as black and white as your analysis requires. There are reluctant voters in both camps.
 
marplots said:
Not at all. But if they don't have another, better choice, what should they do, move to Canada?

I don't think you are getting the nuances here. It isn't as black and white as your analysis requires.
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They don't have to vote for a racist piece of trash. They choose to.

**** every single person that votes for him.
 
marplots said:
Not at all. But if they don't have another, better choice, what should they do, move to Canada?

I don't think you are getting the nuances here. It isn't as black and white as your analysis requires. There are reluctant voters in both camps.
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If it isn't black and white, those people need their head checked.

Hillary is like every other politician. Who cares?
Trump is a *********** sexual predator, a clueless alpha male wannabe who has zero regard for anyone and a pathological need to viciously attack anyone who may have slighted him, regardless of facts. He is the worst that humanity has to offer.

This election IS black and white. It's sanity vs insanity. People supporting Trump should be either tried for treason, if they should know better, or culled if they're too stupid to see what's in front of their face
 
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