Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VI

[CapelDodger]

They're bad people and extreme hypocrites.

I think it is time to wake up and realize that a huge percentage of the American population are terrible people.

The US population is not exceptional.

 

[ddt]

Perhaps a wealthy American client had booked him for a "date"? That was his line of business at the time.

No no no. Gilberthorpe's business was to procure boys for Tory politicians. So in that case, he would have been on the plane with an underage boy. Where's that boy, why doesn't he show up?

 

[Tony Stark]

No no no. Gilberthorpe's business was to procure boys for Tory politicians. So in that case, he would have been on the plane with an underage boy. Where's that boy, why doesn't he show up?

He went all the way to Texas to find boys for politicians in the UK?

Makes sense.

 

[pgwenthold]

I'm puzzled.

Bill Clinton is a "known predator", but Donald Trump is......what exactly? What is known about Bill Clinton that isn't known about Donald Trump?


But, to emphasize a point again, the actual sexual behavior of either of these men is not something that a lot of people are all that concerned with. If you could prove the rape allegation against Bill, people would be concerned about it, but you can't. After that, what you get into with Bill is one accusation of inappropriate touching, and one accusation of inappropriate exposure. Oh, there are at least two known sexual affairs, but who cares? On the Trump side of things we have twelve (I think) accusations of inappropriate touching, bragging about inappropriate touching, actually preparing for the possibility of inappropriate touching (the tic-tac thing), actually accepting the label of sexual predator on a live talk show, accusations of walking in on people, including teenagers, in dressing rooms, and a whole history of infidelity going back to at least the time when he had a very public affair with Marla Maples while he was still married to Ivana.

And....none of the infidelity, and most of the touching, are really no big deal. In most cases, you could write off most of his groping as "moving fast", i.e. he starts kissing, and if she doesn't immediately say no, then.....err......uhm....do that thing he said he does on the tape. We would be appalled, but, meh....it happens. That tape would cost him some, but it would not be enough, by itself, to torpedo the campaign.

It was his actions that doomed his campaign, starting with doing exactly what you are echoing. That "apology" in which he tried to deflect attention away from his own boorish behavior that had been caught on tape by attacking Bill Clinton was something many people found deeply disturbing. Then it got worse. When he denied the flood of allegations, that's something we found incredible. When he insulted the appearance of the accusers, that's something many of us found revolting. Yes, revolting. Him saying, in effect, "I wouldn't touch her without her consent because she's ugly" is just a disgusting thing to say.

It all speaks to his lack of self control. It's not just the lack of self control over his sexual urges. Lots of men, certainly including Bill Clinton, have that issue, but we don't care, as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult. However, the other behaviors, the reflexive attacks, the insults, the denials, those all speak to the sort of self control failures that you really don't want to see in a man who has the power of life and death over other people.

You forgot to add, "Oh, and Trump is actually the one running for President, while Bill Clinton isn't."

It's a nice summary. There's this attempt at equivocation between Bill Clinton and Trump. The problem is, even if Bill were just as bad as Trump (clearly not), he isn't running for President!

 

[NoahFence]

Perhaps I'm being too hard on logger. It's entirely possible that he is in fact from an alternate reality; one where Obama only served a single term.

Of course there's an alternate reality. Trump is king there and his sycophantic followers are his kingdom.

Hopefully there's a Kool aid party soon.

 

[Carnivore]

No no no. Gilberthorpe's business was to procure boys for Tory politicians. So in that case, he would have been on the plane with an underage boy. Where's that boy, why doesn't he show up?

To be fair not all of the young men he (really, honestly, trust him,) procured were underage and we don't even know if he was in the US for professional purposes.

I just thank goodness he came forward to prevent an Establishment Coverup. It would have been intolerable for the public to be left in the dark about the criminal activity of those Cabinet ministers. It's just a shame he had to wait 30 years to make it public, as everyone he named had since left office...and died. Still whistleblowing still counts if done without any evidence against people who cannot defend themselves.

 

[Solitaire]

Ever since watching the endings to Spec Ops The Line, I wondered what
his exit strategy might be. It appears that he's going to declare he won,
but that the election was rigged. I'm disappointed.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

About a consensual bj.

Analogy.

You go to court for a simple stop sign violation. You tell the judge you weren't driving that day. The state produces photographic evidence that you were, in fact, the driver.

The judge may cite you for contempt of court or perjury and have you cool your heels for a few nights in jail. It would be wrong to say you went to jail for running a stop sign. You went to jail for lying about it under oath.

That was where Bill went wrong, and why he lost his law license. It's wrong to say it was about "a consensual bj". It was about lying about it in a sworn deposition which is a crime, even though the root cause may not have been.

 

[Tony Stark]

Analogy.

You go to court for a simple stop sign violation. You tell the judge you weren't driving that day. The state produces photographic evidence that you were, in fact, the driver.

The judge may cite you for contempt of court or perjury and have you cool your heels for a few nights in jail. It would be wrong to say you went to jail for running a stop sign. You went to jail for lying about it under oath.

That was where Bill went wrong, and why he lost his law license. It's wrong to say it was about "a consensual bj". It was about lying about it in a sworn deposition which is a crime, even though the root cause may not have been.

Ok.

Bill is still not running for President. Yet Republicans are trying to bring his sex life and him lying about it as though it is relevant.

 

[Slowvehicle]

At the moment, I fully expect Trump to attempt to bite Clinton's ear off at the next debate.

You think he can moderate his behaviour to that extent?

 

[Slowvehicle]

No, actually it doesn't disgust you. It only disgust you when it comes from the political side you disagree with.

How very odd that you think you can read minds (and that you seem to have lost the plot about which Clinton is the nominee...).

 

[Tony Stark]

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[Slowvehicle]

Ahh yes hilldabeast running away with it.

You do understand what a marriage means don't you?

Why yes, I am quite (one could say...intimately...) familiar with the definition of marriage according to US law. In what way is marriage equality (the law of the land) relevant to this election?

(ETA: just for the record, it appears that your Trump disagrees with what your Jesus is said to be said to have said on the subject. Just being helpful...)

 

[Slowvehicle]

To be fair they have strong religious reasons for not supporting Clinton

1) She's a woman
2) She's not a man

Not to mention:

3) her gender

4) her sex

Those, and the fact that she is female...

 

[Tony Stark]

Too bad for Donald that women are the majority of people who vote.

#RepealThe19th

 

[Slowvehicle]

Of course there's an alternate reality. Trump is king there and his sycophantic followers are his kingdom.

Hopefully there's a Kool aid party soon.

Because you have said it is an "alternate reality", I will not point out that traditionally, one uses Flavor-Aid. Grape.

 

[ddt]

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You messed up your BBcode tags.

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I gotta wonder about those 36% of women who still support Trump? Are their chains which link them to the kitchen sink long enough to get to the polling station?

 

[Flo]

How very odd that you think you can read minds (and that you seem to have lost the plot about which Clinton is the nominee...).

The sad thing is that he, and most Trump fans the World over *, is actually following the plot, which is about demonization, confusion, and guilt by association.

* I read exactly the same garbage by French speaking people ... Clinton as an enabler of her husband's sexual crimes, Trump's words being innocuous banter, etc.

 

[Tony Stark]

You messed up your BBcode tags.

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I gotta wonder about those 36% of women who still support Trump? Are their chains which link them to the kitchen sink long enough to get to the polling station?

Thanks. Fixed it.

I wonder if some of them only claim they are voting for Donald because their husbands are around and will secretly vote for Hillary.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Ok.

Bill is still not running for President. Yet Republicans are trying to bring his sex life and him lying about it as though it is relevant.

Agreed.

The only possible relevance would be any involvement Hillary had in covering up affairs or going after the women, which might speak to character.

But its deja vu all over again and I think we can move on.