Another unarmed black man shot

[Foolmewunz]

Did you look at the other image I linked to, straight on, side of the vehicle, blood clearly goes down the window through the door handle and pools on the ground.

You people need to give up this false narrative about a seatbelt.

Also, I assume everyone posting about the partially open window has a car? What do you get by reaching through a partially opened window? Was he going to hang himself on the seatbelt? Turn on the dome light and blind them? He's a bulk guy, and windows, as far as I know open top to bottom. There's nothing for him to be reaching for.

 

[cullennz]

Also, I assume everyone posting about the partially open window has a car? What do you get by reaching through a partially opened window? Was he going to hang himself on the seatbelt? Turn on the dome light and blind them? He's a bulk guy, and windows, as far as I know open top to bottom. There's nothing for him to be reaching for.

Deadly fuzzy dice

 

[Foolmewunz]

Deadly fuzzy dice

Or that little air freshener from the car wash that's shaped like a fir tree. "Get back, pigs! I'm warning you. I'll have your clothes smelling like Pine Sol for a month!"

 

[Roboramma]

Did you notice where the blood streak starts, SG? It starts several inches down from the doorframe, almost as if the window is rolled down several inches. Video from these police cruiser dashcam shows Crutcher's arm reaching forward at what would be about the same height the blood streak starts. Crump is setting himself up for failure regarding this matter.

If the window was rolled down several inches that would be clearly visible in the photo. It's very clearly rolled up. It can be hard to distinguish a fully closed window from a fully opened one, but it's not hard to see when a window is partly opened. You'd see a line in the photo where the top of the window is.

 

[marplots]

How does blood get on the window (open or not)?

1) it starts pretty high up. Was he shot in the head?
2) He falls quickly, and she only shot once.
3) That's a lot of liquid - a wide track all the way down.
4) Blood doesn't show up on his shirt till after he falls (this is a bit iffy, given the footage we have).

Was it there before he was shot? Is there a before and after view?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Fixed. It is not a black thing. More white people are shot by police than blacks.

At least we can agree that the person being pulled over is more likely to be killed while not being armed than the officer is likely to be killed at all. So clearly in any traffic stop the person being stopped should be more afraid of the cop than the cop is of them. As cops seem to be terrified people should be truly afraid of the police it is simple logic.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Why? Do you "act a fool" at first spotting police? Do you obey officers commands? Resist arrest? I'm curious why you fear being shot. If you are courteous, and professional and obey the orders of the officers you encounter I bet you have a better chance of a positive encounter with police regardless of any skin color you happen to be.

Hell they shoot people lying on the ground with their hands up and no one cares, why would you think that doing everything right is enough not to get shot?

 

[ponderingturtle]

So what does this tell us about the theory that the way to reduce police violence is to hire more female cops?

If You Want Less Police Violence, Hire More Female Cops

KING: To combat police brutality, hire more female cops — studies show they’re better at keeping their cool

Little as you can not draw statistical significance from a single event.

 

[ponderingturtle]

What, exactly, do you think that information would support? That black people being unjustly killed by black people justifies police killing black people?

The argument is based on the idea that black people don't care about the murder of black people by black people so why should we care about the murder of black people by the police.

 

[ponderingturtle]

That's not a close-up photo. It's an enlargement from the helicopter camera. What appears to be a streak of blood is the shoulder part of the seatbelt. At first glance it might look like a streak on a closed window. It isn't.

Weird for shoulder belts to continue along the outside of the door.

 

[ponderingturtle]

That enlarged image has convinced me that it is in fact blood on the window and down the side of the door, and not the dark seatbelt contrasted against the white seat.

Did you notice where the blood streak starts, SG? It starts several inches down from the doorframe, almost as if the window is rolled down several inches. Video from these police cruiser dashcam shows Crutcher's arm reaching forward at what would be about the same height the blood streak starts. Crump is setting himself up for failure regarding this matter.

Something else I noticed about the article you linked to, and in other media, is the apparent reluctance to mention that the first woman to call 911 about the abandoned vehicle said she thought he was smoking something, twice. Shelby has said that, the officer in the helicopter had said that, and a passerby who is not affiliated with the police.

Speaking of misinformation:

The witness who called 911 also said, twice, that the vehicle was running. There is no way the family could possibly know that the SUV broke down.

He could well have called them, and with a transmission break an running engine does not to jack to move the vehicle. I had the drive shaft give out on me once while driving and ambulance. Couldn't move at all and the engine ran fine.

 

[cullennz]

The obvious ques tion is why the cop had her gun out and her finger on the trigger when another cop clearly thinks a taser will do.

 

[cullennz]

And rather than standing in a row like a bunch of idiots. Why did they not incircle him to see all angles?

 

[COLONEL]

And rather than standing in a row like a bunch of idiots. Why did they not incircle him to see all angles?

Well if they were in a circle and the way they shoot they would have missed the guy and hit one of their own. I would say from what I have seen and read cops do all right at the target range, but when it comes to a shoot out they miss the target a lot. I remember a story years ago how I believe it was NYC, police fired something like 79 rounds and only hit the person they were shooting at twice

 

[cullennz]

Well if they were in a circle and the way they shoot they would have missed the guy and hit one of their own. I would say from what I have seen and read cops do all right at the target range, but when it comes to a shoot out they miss the target a lot. I remember a story years ago how I believe it was NYC, police fired something like 79 rounds and only hit the person they were shooting at twice

Would have only been a 180 though. Dude was against the car

 

[Bogative]

These so-called "Field Tests" are nothing but modern-day voodoo.

Yes, and no one has claimed that the police reached the conclusion that it was PCP based on a field test. It was four days after the shooting before they claimed it was PCP, possibly giving them time to send the substance to a lab for testing.

The blood starts where the bullet hit. If that window was a few inches down, its upper edge would be visible in at least some of those angles. It is not.

After watching the enhanced and zoomed in video from the Washington Post, I'm not so sure. Anyway, I'm going to step away from this part of the argument. It's starting to feel like an argument with a 9/11 truther over whether or not the bright light seen in a still photo of the airliner entering the World Trade Center was a static discharge or a missile being fired from the airplane's fuselage. Hopefully the crime scene photos will clarify one way or the other.

As for smoking a substance, so what?

It counters the narrative that he was sitting there innocently on the side of the road waiting for someone to help him with his broken car when some white supremacist cop rolled up on the situation guns hot looking to kill herself a black man.

Even if he put his hand in a window rolled down a couple inches, how is that reaching for a gun? How incompetent can a cop be?

As I said earlier, I've only seen enough to convince me that Crutcher's actions called for no more than a Taser. I think Shelby overreacted.

He could well have called them, and with a transmission break an running engine does not to jack to move the Vehicle.

The family hasn't said he called them, only that the vehicle had been in the shop at an earlier date. They are making assumptions without evidence and the media keeps repeating it.

A broken transmission doesn't explain why the vehicle was sitting in the oncoming lane.

 

[quadraginta]

Weird for shoulder belts to continue along the outside of the door.

Special aftermarket shoulder harness. Obviously he was pimping his ride.

That's the kind of thing those people do, ya know.

 

[eeyore1954]

In this link you can see the blood streak goes down the window and past the door handle.

That's the way I see it also. But it is a pretty grainy enlargement.

 

[eeyore1954]

And rather than standing in a row like a bunch of idiots. Why did they not incircle him to see all angles?

Maybe because it all happened very quickly.

 

[Pterodactyl]

Agree that the window looks to be up and the "streak" continues past the door handle.

Still not sure it's a blood streak though. He's shot in the body and falls quickly. How would that much blood come out that fast, and then he have time to get it on his hand then streak it down the window/door?