Another unarmed black man shot

sunmaster14 said:
I'm sure that it's happened before, but do you really think that police carry some non-standard issue guns and knives with them just in case they need to plant something at the scene of a police shooting? It seems unlikely that such malicious pre-planning would distort the statistics overly much.
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Apparently some of them do. Also see the murder of Walter Scott

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0

By and large unless you get filmed planting it this seems like a good way to make questions of the validity of the shooting go away.
 
Wayward son said:
Statistics on shootings by police in the United States are notoriously hard to acquire. If police departments hiding such data were treated the same way as black people hiding their hands they would be shot.
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You try to add in non shooting deaths at police hands and it is even harder.
 
zooterkin said:


Why should black people have to fear being shot by the police when white people don't?
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The advice is good for any race. Don't take it and you might get shot by police. Seems like we see a lot of shootings that occur from people disobeying police orders, or ignoring them and resisting. Deal with the issues in court. You'll live a lot longer. (no matter what skin color you happen to be) I only see the media making a big deal out of the black shootings. (when there are more white ones, and it is not disproportional) Click bait, at the cost of societal unrest. It's quite sensational isnt it. I guess the cops shouldve just walked away and let the poor man do whatever he wanted.
 
N0z said:
The advice is good for any race. Don't take it and you might get shot by police. Seems like we see a lot of shootings that occur from people disobeying police orders, or ignoring them and resisting. Deal with the issues in court. You'll live a lot longer. (no matter what skin color you happen to be) I only see the media making a big deal out of the black shootings. (when there are more white ones, and it is not disproportional) Click bait, at the cost of societal unrest. It's quite sensational isnt it. I guess the cops shouldve just walked away and let the poor man do whatever he wanted.
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Just don't be surprised as the number of protests increases. This issue is not going away....and I'm beginning to believe that the fallout of these protests will forever change the way people look at this country. Not since the LGBT and Atheist Movements has the realm of "Thinkable Thought" been expanded so much...and we're about to see the spectrum of "Thinkable Thought" become a gulf that's wider than anything you can imagine.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Well, I don't see anything being done any time soon to alter the close relationship between prosecutors, police, and the union, or to mitigate the power of the union to support bad police officers.
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What about how police culture focuses on getting rid of the officers who report and try to get the illegal conduct of their fellow officers dealt with?

I am reminded about someone who was commenting to say not all cops are racist, her husband isn't he just can't call out his racist coworkers as he would lose his job, and they have a mortgage and young children.
 
Mumbles said:
How about they don't kill the victim? How about they try to help him out?

How about "Oh, let's get your vehicle off the road, I'll contact the nearby nearby tow truck, and stay here with my lights on to make sure that nobody hits you?"

Wouldn't that be a much better reaction than "Oh, I can't see his hand SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT!"
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Jules Galen said:
Just don't be surprised as the number of protests increases. This issue is not going away....and I'm beginning to believe that the fallout of these protests will forever change the way people look at this country. Not since the LGBT and Atheist Movements has the realm of "Thinkable Thought" been expanded so much...and we're about to see the spectrum of "Thinkable Thought" become a gulf that's wider than anything you can imagine.
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Oh I won't be surprised in the least. This is exactly why these media campaigns occur. It is however, very unfortunate.

It doesnt take a mental giant to decipher that protests/rioting/blockades will end up with a more militarized police response in the future. (which is hopefully the opposite of the groups of people organizing to do this want?) Why not warrant a peaceful, less invasive response from police. Why not organize events that get positive laws passed, by lobbying senators and represenatives. Why not organize events that teach youth how to approach law enforcement officials safely.

Well, It also doesn't take a mental giant to make good things happen as well. Why not spend your time and efforts on those things -- instead of the ones that end up with more people killed, and more properties destroyed? You tell me. The latter seems to be more popular.
 
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I find it slightly odd they haven't at least tried to tone down the shoot first ask later of black people, at least for a while, given the controversy
 
So let's get down to brass tacks.

Anyone wanna defend this BS? Here's your chance...
 
Ammonitida said:
When has that happened this year?
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Fair call

Bad example.

More. "You know when you would normally just shoot a person"

"For the next year or so we are going to take a deep breath first and think about if it is actually necessary. Or whether there are alternatives"
 
N0z said:
Oh I won't be surprised in the least. This is exactly why these media campaigns occur. It is however, very unfortunate.

It doesnt take a mental giant to decipher that protests/rioting/blockades will end up with a more militarized police response in the future. (which is hopefully the opposite of the groups of people organizing to do this want?) Why not warrant a peaceful, less invasive response from police. Why not organize events that get positive laws passed, by lobbying senators and represenatives. Why not organize events that teach youth how to approach law enforcement officials safely.
Well, It also doesn't take a mental giant to make good things happen as well. Why not spend your time and efforts on those things -- instead of the ones that end up with more people killed, and more properties destroyed? You tell me. The latter seems to be more popular.
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Why are you talking about violence? I never mentioned violence...so why did you just interject that into the dialogue especially when I made quite clear via my reference to "Thinkable Thought" that the protests (the ones that matter) was going to be intellectually-based? But...you jump straight to dreams of violence and civil strife!

Sorry, man. the vast majority of people ain't that stupid enough to go committing violence - so there is no easy answer for you and your ilk. Tear gas and beat downs aren't going to be part of the equation.

Violence would be counterproductive and everyone knows it (except the really stupid people), and that's why most of the protests are non-violent. And by most of the protests, I mean the protests that you are going to see at about every High-School, College and Pro Sports Games - the protests that are happening right now, every day, and are not only peaceful, but form the overwhelming majority of protests. And some new ways are going to be invented to protest and they will be peaceful and lawful...and I don't think you are going to like those, either.

Like I said earlier, the spectrum of "Thinkable Thought" is opening up...and it's going to have one hell on an impact.
 
cullennz said:
I find it slightly odd they haven't at least tried to tone down the shoot first ask later of black people, at least for a while, given the controversy
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Fixed. It is not a black thing. More white people are shot by police than blacks.
 
N0z said:
Oh I won't be surprised in the least. This is exactly why these media campaigns occur. It is however, very unfortunate.

It doesnt take a mental giant to decipher that protests/rioting/blockades will end up with a more militarized police response in the future. (which is hopefully the opposite of the groups of people organizing to do this want?) Why not warrant a peaceful, less invasive response from police. Why not organize events that get positive laws passed, by lobbying senators and represenatives. Why not organize events that teach youth how to approach law enforcement officials safely.

Well, It also doesn't take a mental giant to make good things happen as well. Why not spend your time and efforts on those things -- instead of the ones that end up with more people killed, and more properties destroyed? You tell me. The latter seems to be more popular.
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No.

This is actually important. I've had my life derailed, multiple times, just because of this nonsense. And I was always nervous when the cops showed up. I always knew that they could just shoot me, and folks'd say I was a "thug" or whatever.

But these kids. They refuse to accept this nonsense. I like hem.
 
chrispy said:
I was hoping you would chime in on this one. So, in your expert opinion, if this went down the way you hypothesize, is one officer culpable, both, one more than the other? Also, what would typically be departmental actions toward the officers?
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IF my speculations are correct....The male officer deploying the Taser is guilty only of a minor procedural infraction....Failing to announce that he was going to use the thing.


However, in this case, I suppose an attorney for the officer who fired the fatal shot would argue that this would have been the proximate cause of her opening fire....The Taser does produce a loud, gunshot -like "pop" that in a tense situation might have caused her to believe he had opened fire....

I notice that the family attorneys are pointing out that the windows of the vehicle are closed...
 
Dr. Keith said:
And its even less risky for the police, and yet they are constantly in fear of their lives.

Maybe this is a training issue.
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Less risky? Ummm, no. It's not. There are almost 13 million arrests per year, but only about 750,000 policemen. That means each policeman on average is involved in 17 arrests per year, but the typical citizen is involved in one every 25 years.

Another way of looking at it is that there are about 1/25th as many homicides of police as there are homicides by police, but there are over 400 times as many citizens as police. Therefore, the average policeman has a 400/25 = 16 times higher probability of being killed by a citizen as the average citizen does of being killed by the police.

I could break down these numbers by race as well, but I won't for now. I predict, however, that it will show you something that the Black Lives Matter people won't like.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Less risky? Ummm, no. It's not. There are almost 13 million arrests per year, but only about 750,000 policemen. That means each policeman on average is involved in 17 arrests per year, but the typical citizen is involved in one every 25 years.

Another way of looking at it is that there are about 1/25th as many homicides of police as there are homicides by police, but there are over 400 times as many citizens as police. Therefore, the average policeman has a 400/25 = 16 times higher probability of being killed by a citizen as the average citizen does of being killed by the police.

I could break down these numbers by race as well, but I won't for now. I predict, however, that it will show you something that the Black Lives Matter people won't like.
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None of which refutes that at an encounter between a cop and a civilian, the cop is at less risk than the civilian. Capiche?
 
sunmaster14 said:
Less risky? Ummm, no. It's not. There are almost 13 million arrests per year, but only about 750,000 policemen. That means each policeman on average is involved in 17 arrests per year, but the typical citizen is involved in one every 25 years.

Another way of looking at it is that there are about 1/25th as many homicides of police as there are homicides by police, but there are over 400 times as many citizens as police. Therefore, the average policeman has a 400/25 = 16 times higher probability of being killed by a citizen as the average citizen does of being killed by the police.

I could break down these numbers by race as well, but I won't for now. I predict, however, that it will show you something that the Black Lives Matter people won't like.
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Please do. Also, do you happen to have percentages on who is killed by who more often and by what percentage with police vs black people. (are more black people shot by police or are more black people shot by other black people. (percentages)
 
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