Another unarmed black man shot

Skeptic Ginger said:
You don't need a tin foil hat to think evidence would be planted in any shooting, anything to make the suspect look like a bad guy.

How did the cops know it was PCP before a drug analysis was done? Is there a street test for PCP the cops use?
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Yes, there is a field test for PCP.
http://www.alternateforce.net/genesis.html

It was four days post shooting before the police announced it was PCP.
 
N0z said:
Why? Do you "act a fool" at first spotting police? Do you obey officers commands? Resist arrest? I'm curious why you fear being shot. If you are courteous, and professional and obey the orders of the officers you encounter I bet you have a better chance of a positive encounter with police regardless of any skin color you happen to be.
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You again.

No, that has not been my experience. Police are dangerous. That's a problem. Again, outside of a seriously violent crime, I don't want them around - and even then, I'm not going to trust them.

No, the time I was violently arrested, I didn't act a fool. I simply walked through a turnstile after paying my fare. And I got slammed into a wall for it.

And that's also true for all of my friends, who also got beaten or arrested by police.
 
William Parcher said:
People are saying that the driver's window was rolled up and you can see blood on it. I've watched a good quality version of the helicopter video. I think the window is down and the "blood streak" is actually the black shoulder belt seen against the light colored seat.
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This again? Despite the close up the attorney brought to the press conference that I linked to showing very clearly a rolled up window with blood on it.

Here's a question. Did the cops roll the window down in order to fit the shooter's story? And get caught when the closeup shows the window up?

Which is it, he reached in the window or in his pocket?

She says window. Window is rolled up.
 
In the live press conference you can see the blood on the window more clearly. In this still you can't but you can clearly see the window is up.

cullennz said:
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That's not a close-up photo. It's an enlargement from the helicopter camera. What appears to be a streak of blood is the shoulder part of the seatbelt. At first glance it might look like a streak on a closed window. It isn't.
 
There is blood on the door. No blood on the window because it's rolled down. You are seeing the seatbelt through the open window.
 
Unless I need glasses all three photos clearly show the window closed.

I'm willing to accept that all the cops standing stupidly in a row may not have had a good enough angle to see this, but that's pushing it.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
In this image you can see the blood drip goes all the way down the car door and pools on the ground. Case closed on the closed window.
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That enlarged image has convinced me that it is in fact blood on the window and down the side of the door, and not the dark seatbelt contrasted against the white seat.

Did you notice where the blood streak starts, SG? It starts several inches down from the doorframe, almost as if the window is rolled down several inches. Video from these police cruiser dashcam shows Crutcher's arm reaching forward at what would be about the same height the blood streak starts. Crump is setting himself up for failure regarding this matter.

Something else I noticed about the article you linked to, and in other media, is the apparent reluctance to mention that the first woman to call 911 about the abandoned vehicle said she thought he was smoking something, twice. Shelby has said that, the officer in the helicopter had said that, and a passerby who is not affiliated with the police.

Speaking of misinformation:
Crutcher’s family says he was waiting for help on the road after his SUV broke down.
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The witness who called 911 also said, twice, that the vehicle was running. There is no way the family could possibly know that the SUV broke down.
 
BLM activist speaks out against police.

"I watched the shooting in particular in Tulsa. And that man was hands up. That man went to the car, hands up, put his hand on the car. I mean, to me, it looked like he did everything you're supposed to do, and he looked like a really good man."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/north-carolina-protests-trump-reaction-228458#ixzz4KxK6n5XW
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The people, united, will never be defeated. These activists speaking up when they don't have the facts. Bunch of cop haters. They endanger the lives of loyal patriotic LEOs every time they open their mouths. Let's see him call a columnist the next time he's mugged!
 
N0z said:
Why? Do you "act a fool" at first spotting police? Do you obey officers commands? Resist arrest? I'm curious why you fear being shot. If you are courteous, and professional and obey the orders of the officers you encounter I bet you have a better chance of a positive encounter with police regardless of any skin color you happen to be.
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It isn't as easy to properly react to the police as you think. You don't have a training like they do, so to say, to obey their order, while they have a training to react for certain scenario. So you may simply reach for a document, which due to their training will be misinterpreted, but you due to your lack of training as civilian , will not understand why they suddenly react violently, at least not immediately. Remember the people of the public are not trained to properly answer to the police and in a stress situation will react poorly.

Failure to understand that, lead to a failure to understand why people starts to fear the police.

Now you may tell me , "welp, aepervius, but we don't train civilian! This is not a police state !". Well then maybe you should see that the problem is the police and not the civilian.
 
N0z said:
Why? Do you "act a fool" at first spotting police? Do you obey officers commands? Resist arrest? I'm curious why you fear being shot. If you are courteous, and professional and obey the orders of the officers you encounter I bet you have a better chance of a positive encounter with police regardless of any skin color you happen to be.
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Are you black?
 
William Parcher said:
There is blood on the door. No blood on the window because it's rolled down. You are seeing the seatbelt through the open window.
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Look at belt security in google photo. It looks way different than how it looks in this photo. For one on the car I know the belt does not hang like that on the seat, it is retracted on the side and would not be visible with somebody inside. And looking at the top if it was a belt it would be disappearing behind the seat not in the car wall.

I know no cars belt like that. Maybe it is an US speciality but all cars I know have the belt on the side of the cars and are much wider than the apparent width on the photo. And when not worn they are NOT on the seat but retracted mostly in their compartment. And not hanging before the window.

It may be a belt, but if so then it is a very strangely placed belt, thin, and bizarrely placed over the seat or before the window.

ETA: looked at the WaPo video, it does not tell anything and it does not look like a belt. I am putting my money on either trickling blood or trick of shadow.
 
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Bogative said:
That enlarged image has convinced me that it is in fact blood on the window and down the side of the door, and not the dark seatbelt contrasted against the white seat.

Did you notice where the blood streak starts, SG? It starts several inches down from the doorframe, almost as if the window is rolled down several inches. Video from these police cruiser dashcam shows Crutcher's arm reaching forward at what would be about the same height the blood streak starts. Crump is setting himself up for failure regarding this matter.

Something else I noticed about the article you linked to, and in other media, is the apparent reluctance to mention that the first woman to call 911 about the abandoned vehicle said she thought he was smoking something, twice. Shelby has said that, the officer in the helicopter had said that, and a passerby who is not affiliated with the police.

Speaking of misinformation:

The witness who called 911 also said, twice, that the vehicle was running. There is no way the family could possibly know that the SUV broke down.
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The blood starts where the bullet hit. If that window was a few inches down, its upper edge would be visible in at least some of those angles. It is not.

Show me a blow up with his hand or arm poking in the window and I'll reconsider. But for now, it appears a couple people in this thread just don't want to let go of their initial conclusion. I don't think its Crump who is the failure here.

As for smoking a substance, so what? He's not acting violently, he's not threatening anyone. Some stupid cop panicked or maybe even fired accidentally because her finger was on the trigger.

Even if he put his hand in a window rolled down a couple inches, how is that reaching for a gun? How incompetent can a cop be?
 
Sherkeu said:
That enlarged photo is a screen grab from the video at the moment the blood and seatbelt align. It definitely looks like a rolled up window with a trail of blood.

But in watching rest of the video, it appears to be an open window and a seatbelt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...37bebc-7f76-11e6-ad0e-ab0d12c779b1_video.html
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Did you look at the other image I linked to, straight on, side of the vehicle, blood clearly goes down the window through the door handle and pools on the ground.

You people need to give up this false narrative about a seatbelt.
 
It should be pointed out that (if) the engine is running, that does not necessarily mean the car is operable.

Also, the blood streak starting several inches below the door frame does not prove one way or the other that it was partially rolled down. It could be that was the height at which the wound was at. I could see that being consistent with a center mass shot. I recognize this point is in contention, I'm just offering plausible explanations.

ETA: As for police demeanor and behavior, I've seen the whole spectrum. Some conduct themselves very professionally and go about their business. On the other end, I recall a time when I was walking home from a coffee shop and came across a group of them monitoring one end of a closed stretch of road (they were not in the midst of a tense standoff or doing much of anything but idling there). I inquired which way would be best to go around. One officer strode up to me, scrunched his face up, got about 2 inches from my face and promptly told me to **** off.
 
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