Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part V

[phiwum]

You nailed it. It's like people forget just how bad it could be. It's like they forgot the foreclosures, the wars and the other issues.

Having the US default on its loans may just be the worst idea on the planet next to using nuclear weapons haphazardly. Both of which Trump has suggested.

I'm a Democrat and haven't been a fan of the last 5 Republican presidents, but never was I genuinely afraid of them being elected. I'm genuinely afraid of Trump being elected.

I am non-partisan, lately leaning slightly Democrat. I thought that George W. Bush was the worst president of my lifetime (I ignore Nixon, Ford and Carter since I was too young to know what was going on). I thought his father was okay, and he's grown in my estimation, but I still regard him as lukewarm. When I was a child and teenager, I thought Reagan was great, but he has decreased in my estimation.

Clinton was okay, maybe pretty good, Obama a bit weak.

Trump is the single worst candidate I've seen, a real loose cannon. Hillary has some significant concerns -- she is not forthright and open about the email scandal, for instance -- but I will proudly support her given the competition.

 

[Tero]

CNN runs a poll of polls as well as their own. Nothing has changed. Trump has peaked. Desperate voters seek third party candidates.

 

[Biscuit]

Having the US default on its loans may just be the worst idea on the planet next to using nuclear weapons haphazardly. Both of which Trump has suggested.

A terrible idea and unconstitutional too. We are obligated to pay our debts in full by our own laws.

Trump is the single worst candidate I've seen, a real loose cannon. Hillary has some significant concerns -- she is not forthright and open about the email scandal, for instance -- but I will proudly support her given the competition.

The more I learn about the supposed "email scandal" the less interesting it gets.

 

[CapelDodger]

Gee, you think maybe the country has changed a little in 66 years? I would be willing to bet that many of those regulations address issues that literally didn't exist in 1950.

Some issues did, such as city smog and poisoned rivers. I can remember when fixing those was presented as The Road To Ruin and a socialist plot against capitalism by sunmaster14's forebears. And as for food hygiene, best not think about it. Not close to mealtimes, at least.

Or maybe you'd like to return to the America of 1950?

That would come with 1950's life-expectancy, so I doubt it.

 

[Biscuit]

CNN runs a poll of polls as well as their own. Nothing has changed. Trump has peaked. Desperate voters seek third party candidates.

I would also add that while the popular vote is quite interesting the electoral college votes are what matter and in that there is little doubt who is winning. Hillary is crushing trump, no if ands or buts.

The media love using these polls to make it look close and interesting but when it comes down to it trump doesn't have much of a chance.

 

[CapelDodger]

I think he would have responded to 9/11 pretty much the way Bush did.

What, no nuke on Kabul? You want Trump for "business as usual"?

He would probably have cut out some of the garbage about Islam being a religion of peace, however. Honestly, I think that kind of mush is counterproductive.

Closing mosques and interning Muslims would be counter-productive. Demonising an entire religion for the actions of a tiny fragment of its followers is not sensible.

Closing mosques and interning Muslims isn't something Trump could have done, but it's the sort of thing he'd have jumped up and declared he was going to do. Come on, that's the sort of volatility you love about him, isn't it?

 

[phiwum]

The more I learn about the supposed "email scandal" the less interesting it gets.

I think that it was a fundamental error, that arguably she preferred a private email server so that she could control access to her emails regardless of FOIA and other oversights. I'm not certain of that, but it at the least seems a very unfortunate choice which in effect makes secrecy easier.

I think that her subsequent statements regarding confidential emails were very misleading, at least showing ignorance if not deceit, and her comments regarding the FBI findings were similarly misleading.

These things disturb me, but not nearly so much as Trump's abject ignorance of basic principles of government. I think of Hillary Clinton as a politician who has weathered rather a lot of investigations and has learned to keep her dealings to herself as a result. This has led her to some dubious acts and some misstatements that are plausibly lies. But at least she has some idea of statecraft, and why we don't lob nukes at ISIS.

 

[CapelDodger]

The media love using these polls to make it look close and interesting but when it comes down to it trump doesn't have much of a chance.

Looks like it'll be down to those Second Amendment folks to save the day, then.

 

[CapelDodger]

OK, to add to the list of Trump qualities

1) Bankruptcies are good
2) Harvard is as big of a scam as Trump Univeristy
3) Trump's business acumen is irrelevant.

Let's get ahead of the game :

4) All great leaders have personality disorders.

 

[CapelDodger]

Putting aside the fact that you're completely wrong about financial regulation (so much of it is counterproductive and actually increases financial instability) ...

That isn't actually the case. There's a reason why the 2008 crash occurred after the post-1929 regulations were relaxed and not before.

... you're going to have a hard time explaining why it could possibly make sense that the volume of regulations has increased by a factor of 18 since 1950.

How is that volume measured? For instance, is the regulation of chemicals one regulation, or is every chemical regulated one regulation?

Remember that the people who've fed you that figure are likely to be partisan.

Even if all of that was geared to saving lives, is there never any cost-benefit analysis done? A human life is not worth an unlimited amount.

Especially in the poor end of town where the pollution and fouled water is. "Loserville" as we used to call it before political correctness. Now of course it has to be "Disadvantagedville". No wonder the US is regarded as so freakin' gay these days.

 

[CapelDodger]

And you're going to have to explain why you think making it harder for the financial industry to defraud its customers is bad for anybody who isn't getting rich that way.

You think their lives don't matter?

(When Coolidge was told he was appointing a son-of-a-bitch to his Cabinet he said "Don't they deserve representation too?". Allegedly.)

 

[CapelDodger]

Financial regulations are ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE. As we know where there is a profit to be made, someone will do something reckless. Hell, my biggest problem with Bill Clinton is that he signed both the banking and commodities reform acts in 1999 which among other things opened the door for the financial meltdown in 2008. I want to bring back Glass Steagal.

What's particularly worrying is that nothing's been done to prevent another crash like 2008. Which makes another inevitable - I think by 2020 at the latest. If Trump wins, by half-an-hour after it's called.

 

[acbytesla]

What's particularly worrying is that nothing's been done to prevent another crash like 2008. Which makes another inevitable - I think by 2020 at the latest. If Trump wins, by half-an-hour after it's called.

They did a little. But not nearly enough. Before FDR's banking reforms those kind of bank meltdowns occurred about every 20 years.Glass Steagall should have been reinstated.

 

[CapelDodger]

I'm a Democrat and haven't been a fan of the last 5 Republican presidents, but never was I genuinely afraid of them being elected. I'm genuinely afraid of Trump being elected.

In practice, is there much he could do against ths system?

The world's reaction would be a completely different matter, of course. The niceties of Congressional oversight, the Constitution, the Supreme Court and so on would be lost on most people. Nothing could prevent him saying three inflamatory things before breakfast every day, regardless of what he could actually implement.

Yup. Nightmare.

 

[acbytesla]

In practice, is there much he could do against ths system?

The world's reaction would be a completely different matter, of course. The niceties of Congressional oversight, the Constitution, the Supreme Court and so on would be lost on most people. Nothing could prevent him saying three inflamatory things before breakfast every day, regardless of what he could actually implement.

Yup. Nightmare.

I think Trump sees the Presidency as some new toy. Another stroke of his ego.

But he could do massive damage. He could launch wars, inflame relations with both enemies and allies alike. I can't actually see Congress going along with his moronic wall idea. They oppose his infrastructure spending bill. The GOP has been consistently the "free trade party" so I have to wonder how his trade war will go over.

This is the least of my concerns but I hope he wouldn't redecorate the Oval Office with a gold desk and chair.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

You realize that every shred of evidence he's provided for the highlighted says the exact opposite?

To be fair, Trump's only real advisor is himself. He'll listen to himself.

Of course, that precludes any possibility of him doing the responsible thing.

 

[Mader Levap]

Also, why do people think that bankruptcies are bad? They're a part of doing business and taking risk. A developer who hasn't had projects go bankrupt is probably not being aggressive enough.

This kind of comment (pretty astonishing for many people here, me included) explains a lot about why some people thinks Trump is "good businessman".

I guess in Rethuglican Corporate Murica you can be still considered good businessman if you get away without a scrath from various bankrupties, schemes and the like. Golden parachute and all of that. **** the rest of victims. Right?

We need somebody to shake up the system a bit.

Extremely foolish statement.

I think he would have responded to 9/11 pretty much the way Bush did. (...) He would have handled the Cuban Missile Crisis much like JFK did.

I thought you wanted him to shake up things a bit?

 

[logger]

right - because the biggest economy in the world is exactly like a mom&pop restaurant.

There is nothing shrewd about declaring bankruptcy EVER! You can't even do it unless you can prove that there is little other choice: it is and always will be an act of desperation, a way to salvage a totally f*#k-up situation.

Trump is still paying for his bankruptcies because he has to accept very unfavorable conditions from the few banks that will still loan to him.
He might still have a reputation as a celebrity, but he sure as hell doesn't have one as businessmen.

Doesn't that give you any clue whatsoever?

 

[logger]

BOLLOCKS!
Bankruptcies are horrible. They are evidence of ineptitude and often criminal behavior. Taking a risk means you didn't make as much money as you expected or you lost money. It's not saying telling a judge "hey, sorry judge we're total losers and please make all these other people pay for our screw ups.

A very expected answer.

I'll clue you in, every developer creates a corporation to do a project. In 08 during the meltdown, many developers borrowed money before 08 to develop their projects. When the crash happened, their projects lost around 30% of its value. I'm not sure if you can figure this out but a 30% loss isn't going to work.

 

[logger]

Well I'm clearly too cautious a businessperson because I've managed to start and run a successful and highly profitable business for just over 13 years now.

Then your not in a highly competitive market.

If Brexit goes as badly as I suspect then I'll likely join Donald J Trump in having a failed business on my hands but at least mine will pay the staff and creditors all they are due before we pull down the shutters.

Not if you lost it all and your kids end up on the street.