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Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part V

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Not a single one of those accusations is remotely as bad as what I learned about Clinton just 4 days ago.

Also, why do people think that bankruptcies are bad? They're a part of doing business and taking risk. A developer who hasn't had projects go bankrupt is probably not being aggressive enough.

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Wow.
 
Also, why do people think that bankruptcies are bad? They're a part of doing business and taking risk. A developer who hasn't had projects go bankrupt is probably not being aggressive enough.

I suppose that's one way of looking at it :rolleyes:.

The criticism leveled at Trump is that when things go belly-up then it's other people who end up carrying the can. I suppose that you could insist that it's the mark of a shrewd businessman that he's managed to stiff the banks a few times but he has also screwed over a large number of small businesses - I suppose you could spin that as they played with fire they should expect to get burned.

I guess examples like the Mexican resort and Trump University can also be discounted as caveat emptor and those communities in New Jersey which were destroyed by his cavalier business methods could be said to have rolled the dice and lost.

The problem from my perspective is that you don't want someone with that kind of attitude towards risk and personal responsibility in charge of the launch codes or the largest economy on the planet - YMMV.
 
The problem from my perspective is that you don't want someone with that kind of attitude towards risk and personal responsibility in charge of the launch codes or the largest economy on the planet - YMMV.

But we can simply declare the USA bankrupt and not have to worry about the debt and deficit.....a shrewd businessman's approach to the problem.
 
Not a single one of those accusations is remotely as bad as what I learned about Clinton just 4 days ago.

Please do tell. What corrupt act was Clinton involved in that comes close to buying off criminal investigations with political donations?

Note: If your response includes the words "email," "server," or "Benghazi," you get the laughing dog.

Also, why do people think that bankruptcies are bad? They're a part of doing business and taking risk. A developer who hasn't had projects go bankrupt is probably not being aggressive enough.

They're also an inherent part of being a crappy businessman.
 
I really dislike the fake Trump tweet generators. The guy says enough ridiculous crap on his own without this ******** spreading like wildfire.
 
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That was his twitter. It was deleted for obvious reasons but not before being screenshotted. Everything to him is really all about him and that showed it to aplomb.

Well, I'm flabbergasted. When I think he can't abase himself any farther, he always comes up with a notch lower on the measuring stick.
 
Don't keep us in suspenders. What horrible, awful, vile, nasty thing did you learn 4 days ago?

The FBI report that was released the Friday before a holiday weekend (natch). Discussion should be in the Clinton email thread, not here. The fact that the FBI is trying to help out Hillary by releasing the report at a time designed to get the least publicity possible is probably worth discussing in a brand new thread.
 
I suppose that's one way of looking at it :rolleyes:.

I'm loving the eye-roll from somebody who probably doesn't understand the first thing about finance.

It's not just one way of looking at it. It's the right way. Bankruptcies tell you nothing in and of themselves. You have to look at why the bankruptcies happen.

The criticism leveled at Trump is that when things go belly-up then it's other people who end up carrying the can. I suppose that you could insist that it's the mark of a shrewd businessman that he's managed to stiff the banks a few times but he has also screwed over a large number of small businesses - I suppose you could spin that as they played with fire they should expect to get burned.

It's not a question of stiffing the banks. It's a question of contractual duties versus fiduciary ones. You have no fiduciary duties to your lenders. Only contractual ones. His projects are charged very high interest, by the way, because his projects are risky (as most real estate developments are). If you charge 10% over the risk free rate, and 10% of the projects go bankrupt, and you get 50 cents on the dollar recovery on those that do go bankrupt, you're still making money as a lender, on average. In fact, you're doing great since the bankrupt properties might have paid several years of interest and paid down some principal before they went bankrupt. And the ones that did well became nice little annuities, with the prospect of ancillary lending business as well. You make it sound like the Trump took advantage of his lenders. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I don't know actually. But it's likely that it was a symbiotic relationship, and both sides made money on average and over the long run.

I guess examples like the Mexican resort and Trump University can also be discounted as caveat emptor and those communities in New Jersey which were destroyed by his cavalier business methods could be said to have rolled the dice and lost.

The jury is still out on Trump University, literally. Was it a scam of some sort? Probably. So is Harvard University, by the way.

The problem from my perspective is that you don't want someone with that kind of attitude towards risk and personal responsibility in charge of the launch codes or the largest economy on the planet - YMMV.

I disagree. That is exactly the kind of person I want. Our Presidents have been too cautious. We need somebody to shake up the system a bit.
 
But we can simply declare the USA bankrupt and not have to worry about the debt and deficit.....a shrewd businessman's approach to the problem.

right - because the biggest economy in the world is exactly like a mom&pop restaurant.

There is nothing shrewd about declaring bankruptcy EVER! You can't even do it unless you can prove that there is little other choice: it is and always will be an act of desperation, a way to salvage a totally f*#k-up situation.

Trump is still paying for his bankruptcies because he has to accept very unfavorable conditions from the few banks that will still loan to him.
He might still have a reputation as a celebrity, but he sure as hell doesn't have one as businessmen.
 
I think there will be only 4 new SNLs before Election Day. I wonder how they will treat Trump and Clinton.
 
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Trump is still paying for his bankruptcies because he has to accept very unfavorable conditions from the few banks that will still loan to him. He might still have a reputation as a celebrity, but he sure as hell doesn't have one as businessmen.

Do you have examples of these so-called unfavorable conditions?
 
I'm loving the eye-roll from somebody who probably doesn't understand the first thing about finance.

It's not just one way of looking at it. It's the right way. Bankruptcies tell you nothing in and of themselves. You have to look at why the bankruptcies happen.



It's not a question of stiffing the banks. It's a question of contractual duties versus fiduciary ones. You have no fiduciary duties to your lenders. Only contractual ones. His projects are charged very high interest, by the way, because his projects are risky (as most real estate developments are). If you charge 10% over the risk free rate, and 10% of the projects go bankrupt, and you get 50 cents on the dollar recovery on those that do go bankrupt, you're still making money as a lender, on average. In fact, you're doing great since the bankrupt properties might have paid several years of interest and paid down some principal before they went bankrupt. And the ones that did well became nice little annuities, with the prospect of ancillary lending business as well. You make it sound like the Trump took advantage of his lenders. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I don't know actually. But it's likely that it was a symbiotic relationship, and both sides made money on average and over the long run.



The jury is still out on Trump University, literally. Was it a scam of some sort? Probably. So is Harvard University, by the way.



I disagree. That is exactly the kind of person I want. Our Presidents have been too cautious. We need somebody to shake up the system a bit.

I will bite. How is Harvard a scam?
 
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