The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[fuelair]

How can you be sure that this too also not only is religion ?

Religions (what with being made up and being untestable) are quite clearly not the same as science - which not only is testable, but requires testing and testability to be recognized as science.

In all the time you have been at this silly game, have you never noticed that critically important distinction?????

 

[fuelair]

Even a nuclear power station can blow up when scientific purpose and commercial purpose is mixed.

So what - even a non-commercial power plant of any type can blow up given any necessary condition set (improper maintainence, improper installation, aging parts not being replaced regularly, sabotage, wrong fuel/excessive fuel...............) not being present/being excessively present.

 

[fuelair]

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I have no reason to believe that former NASA astrophysicist Edward Dowdye not is telling the truth and only the truth,
A good advise to you, always keep you mind open, if not the risk that you have to look back on your self as a silly naive BW person exist.

Cut out the unnecessary stuff. Now, can you rewrite your (Dark Red)sentence to mean something.

Also, It is good advice always keep your mind open

The last part of your last sentence needs more time than I am willing to devote to it. I will ask, however, what is a BW person - sorry, but I am not fluent in Bjarne.

 

[halleyscomet]

Religions (what with being made up and being untestable) are quite clearly not the same as science - which not only is testable, but requires testing and testability to be recognized as science.

In all the time you have been at this silly game, have you never noticed that critically important distinction?????

The dude denies gravitational lensing occurs, even though we have gobs of experimental proof that it does. He REPEATEDLY ignores or sidesteps the fact that his "theory" would make it impossible for modern GPS satellites to function. He claims, in all sincerity, that kindergarten math can overturn the theory of relativity. He's openly dismissive of doing math to support a physics hypothesis and alternates between refusing to do so, demanding we do the math for him, and throwing out random equations, some of which actually contradict his theories.

Failing to understand the testable nature of science and equating "science he doesn't like" to "religion" is well within the bounds of the scientific acumen he's demonstrated so far.

 

[Daylightstar]

How can you be sure that this too also not only is religion ?

Because of the abundant data supporting it.
By the way, even stars in actuality just inside the Sun's limb can (during a solar eclipse for instance) be observed just outside the limb.

 

[Daylightstar]

Bjarne, [URL="http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11473026&postcount=2799"]how[/URL] is your 'ruler object' able to measure distances?

 

[Perpetual Student]

The dude denies gravitational lensing occurs, even though we have gobs of experimental proof that it does. He REPEATEDLY ignores or sidesteps the fact that his "theory" would make it impossible for modern GPS satellites to function. He claims, in all sincerity, that kindergarten math can overturn the theory of relativity. He's openly dismissive of doing math to support a physics hypothesis and alternates between refusing to do so, demanding we do the math for him, and throwing out random equations, some of which actually contradict his theories.

Failing to understand the testable nature of science and equating "science he doesn't like" to "religion" is well within the bounds of the scientific acumen he's demonstrated so far.

Nevertheless, he goes on and on and on...oblivious to reality.

 

[halleyscomet]

Nevertheless, he goes on and on and on...oblivious to reality.

This is the thread that never ends...

Even a nuclear power station can blow up when scientific purpose and commercial purpose is mixed.

Since you still haven't addressed my question, I will repeat it:

Whatever you were trying to say with that response, the fact remains, if your ideas had any foundation in reality, GPS satellite design, programming, operation and maintenance would have to take them into account.

The fact that GPS satellites work leaves you with the following options:

1: You are wrong and need to go back to the drawing board.

2: GPS satellites DON'T really work and there's a grand conspiracy to create the illusion that they do.

3: GPS satellite designers, programmers and operators ALREADY know you're right, have taken your ideas into account when designing the satellites and their support systems and are inexplicably keeping it a secret instead of publishing research and experimental evidence that would put their names on par with Einstein and Newton in the history books.

Which of those three options seems most likely to you?

Which is it?

If it's #3, don't you think it might be worth your time to try and find evidence of the cover-up your scientific "theories" necessitate MUST be real?

 

[MRC_Hans]

I will ask, however, what is a BW person - sorry, but I am not fluent in Bjarne.

Brainwashed, I assume. That's what Bjarne calls everyone who doesn't accept his ideas. ... Which means practically everybody on the planet, except himself.

Hans

 

[fuelair]

So many options - but probably is that!!! Thanks!!!

 

[MRC_Hans]

Does gravitational lensing exist, yes or no? Does gravity bend light, yes or no?

Answer this, Bjarne. And tell us that is in this picture:


Hans

 

[halleyscomet]

Answer this, Bjarne. And tell us that is in this picture:


Hans

My God! It's beautiful!

 

[fuelair]

I wonder if Bj will begin to fall apart in 2016-2017 when this idea of his falls apart?

I have no expectation of such, but I also cannot deny I would not be at all unpleased at such an occurrence!

 

[halleyscomet]

I wonder if Bj will begin to fall apart in 2016-2017 when this idea of his falls apart?

I'm not sure, but I think I found evidence BJ was banned somewhere else...

http://imgur.com/gallery/MF7Pgg1 (NSFWish)

 

[Dancing David]

Predicted SR-time dilation will be turned upside down a certain part of the ISS path

Funny that, hundreds if not thousands of satellites that would show the same effect, but just wait for the magic ISS

 

[phunk]

Answer this, Bjarne. And tell us that is in this picture:


Hans

I prefer this one:

http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/03/05/distant-supernova-split-four-ways-by-gravitational-lens/

 

[Peregrinus]

I prefer this one:

http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/03/05/distant-supernova-split-four-ways-by-gravitational-lens/

You, as others have often done in these threads, offer to ruin a perfectly good pie fight by dragging demonstrable facts into the matter. (But after 70+ pages of not much gained - aside from idle amusement, who could blame you for the eleventh-hour attempt?)

P.s., Bjarne - the basic fabric of the Universe has not wavered one scintilla under your blithering, blathering foolishness.

 

[Bjarne]

Brainwashed, I assume. That's what Bjarne calls everyone who doesn't accept his ideas. ... Which means practically everybody on the planet, except himself.

Hans

What will you call it when you soon will see that it was all wrong..
People is accepting this illogical nonsense not because ít's logic, but only so that they will not look stupid in other eyes.

Group pressure it part of the poison that made it possible to involve the entire human face. Soon we (almost) all one day can say, - ohh my good we where all victims

 

[Bjarne]

Answer this, Bjarne. And tell us that is in this picture:

Hans

This is not the point; the point is that a professional in that area hasn’t found any evidence for gravitational lensing.
I guess that Edward Dowdye would say that you will not find the same disturbances in that photo, if viewed at others frequencies, such as infrared, UV etc....
Either you want to discuss what he may or may not be wrong, or you do not.
So either you will hear what the man have to say or you will not, - so if you want, - before that you have to be prepared for such discussion by listen to what he have to say..
http://osnetdaily.com/2016/07/former-nasa-physicist-disputes-einsteins-relativity-theory/

It is very possible that the stretch of space can stretch / bend the path of a photon too.
But so long we don't know how the photon knows that here space is stretching (or ""curved"") it is difficult to be sure what really is going on..
Don't swallow everything you hear, it is sometimes really difficult to distinguish between what is OK and what really is stinking BW BS. Many times you can smell it.

After all the BW-BS that is out there, I take nothing for granted anymore.
I have no reason to believe that former NASA astrophysicist Edward Dowdye not is telling the truth and only the truth,
If you believe Edward Dowdye have misunderstood something, why not tell us all what that may be ?

Instead you are attacking and asking me, even after you know or should know that I still not have made any final decision..

 

[Bjarne]

Photons have demonstrated to understand that spacetime around energy density (matter) is curved as photons follow a necessary curved path.

If photons really are changing path because of the "deformation of space" , - how can you know that photons did that ;

• because space was curved ?
• or they did so because space was stretching ?

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