Ed Olympic swimmers may have lied about being robbed

Skeptic Ginger said:
Your example is Phelps??? :eye-poppi

Are you completely unaware of his history? He went off into an addiction abyss and came out of it, recovering and reclaiming his title.
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Your point was that it was impossible for athletes to seek out drugs. It was a silly thing to say. I can't take you seriously if you really think he is unique.

ETA: Especially with that emoji, as though it was such a ridiculous thing to bring up. Give me a break.
 
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Apparently some folks here that don't get out of the country much need an education:

An experience with police corruption in Brazil.
He had quite a few stories about his encounters with the law but I have to admit that at that time, I took the guy’s stories with a grain of salt.

In the mean time I’ve been pulled over quite a few times during my travels across Brazil in the past 2,5 years, and a few times I was lucky to escape with no fine and no bribes – like the one time when I came riding into Volta Redonda with a 25 liter jerry-can with diesel on the roof of my car because the fuel pump broke down…

He invited me me into his office and I noticed that he was all alone there. I remember asking myself if this was a good thing or not. When it would come down to me paying him a bribe, it could be a good thing because he would have the loot all for himself and so I could get off the hook paying less.

He took the phone, but to me didn’t look as if he was really making a call. He said something about nobody picking up on the other side, and then laid down the law, which came down to this: if I couldn’t come up with the correct document, he would have to confiscate my bike…
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I'm not surprised to find that is the norm in Brazil. Maybe the judge is involved in trying to clean things up.

The Rio Times: New Measures Address Police Corruption
Last week a leaked Civil Police Intelligence Unit dossier was made public, revealing that Military Police officers in Rocinha are accepting bribes from traffickers....
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TheGoldcountry said:
Your point was that it was impossible for athletes to seek out drugs. It was a silly thing to say. I can't take you seriously if you really think he is unique.

ETA: Especially with that emoji, as though it was such a ridiculous thing to bring up. Give me a break.
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No, my point is Occam's Razor. See my last post. I can't believe people here are that naive about police norms in Latin America.

The looking for drugs or prostitutes makes zero sense. Why would Lochte say anything if they were ripped off looking for drugs?
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't see an answer to 'why' in your post.
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I really don't know why they lied to the police.

Again, why?

:rolleyes:
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According to reports, the police say that the swimmers stories were so inconsistent and contradictory that it looks like they are making it up. It is illegal to give false statements to police in Rio. The police believe that the victims have committed that crime. They have probable cause for warrants and seizures, but they need a Judge to approve it. The Judge did approve and with warrants in hand the cops went to the Olympic Village but the swimmers were gone.

The police have evidence that the swimmers committed a crime. What crime? Lying to them.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, my point is Occam's Razor. See my last post. I can't believe people here are that naive about police norms in Latin America.

The looking for drugs or prostitutes makes zero sense. Why would Lochte say anything if they were ripped off looking for drugs?
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By the looks they weren't ripped off.

Sounds like they used it as an excuse for something and got their stories wrong.

Hence the warrants
 
William Parcher said:
I really don't know why they lied to the police.


According to reports, the police say that the swimmers stories were so inconsistent and contradictory that it looks like they are making it up. It is illegal to give false statements to police in Rio. The police believe that the victims have committed that crime. They have probable cause for warrants and seizures, but they need a Judge to approve it. The Judge did approve and with warrants in hand the cops went to the Olympic Village but the swimmers were gone.

The police have evidence that the swimmers committed a crime. What crime? Lying to them.
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IOW, your assumptions are full of inexplicable holes. While corrupt police robbing people in taxis explains everything.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, my point is Occam's Razor. See my last post. I can't believe people here are that naive about police norms in Latin America.
The looking for drugs or prostitutes makes zero sense. Why would Lochte say anything if they were ripped off looking for drugs?
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You keep saying this, even though I haven't seen one person deny this. Move on.
 
William Parcher said:
According to reports, the police say that the swimmers stories were so inconsistent and contradictory that it looks like they are making it up.
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When was the last time you came home from a party between 4am and 7am and could tell a consistent story of the evenings events?

(Hint: If they all four told the same story then it wasn't really a party.)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yes, you do need to go on. Try looking for the norm instead of the exceptions. And while you are at it, explain the need to tell anyone the story Lochte told.
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I tend to agree with you that the drugs/hookers idea doesn't seem too logical, but we're not talking logic here....it would be mere speculation but perhaps they were simply embarrassed they were ripped off, and decided to assuage their embarrassment by spinning the story to make them seem like heroes/victims
I dunno....
Or it could just be corrupt police and the swimmers too drunk to remember details.
But c'mon Ginger do yourself a favor and don't double/triple down on your ridiculous remark about 'top athletes'. Aside from actors and musicians I can't think of a more drug-infused group....
 
Dr. Keith said:
When was the last time you came home from a party between 4am and 7am and could tell a consistent story of the evenings events?

(Hint: If they all four told the same story then it wasn't really a party.)
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This, I agree with. Generally, if the sun was coming up, I could pin it down within an hour.
 
TheGoldcountry said:
You keep saying this, even though I haven't seen one person deny this. Move on.
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Deny it, no. Consider how likely it is, yes, there are lots of people here, including you, who think something else happened despite no logical reason they would have reported the incident.
 
William Parcher said:
Lochte told the police that they got back home at 4am. But video evidence shows it was actually 7am.

Are you ready to explain that lie?
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What is this even supposed to mean?

You tell me there is a discrepancy in the story. You have yet to suggest a single reason for this story. Were they worried their parents would be mad they were out too late?

What is the reason to make up this story? Quit avoiding the key question.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Deny it, no. Consider how likely it is, yes, there are lots of people here, including you, who think something else happened despite no logical reason they would have reported the incident.
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No. This is patently false. Most of the people here are expressing puzzlement about the conflicting stories, and wondering what really happened.

I MYSELF earlier said that I thought it was unlikely that they would report anything if they were up to no good. I guess in your rush to defend them at all costs, you missed that. Calm down. Most people here are just asking questions.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
IOW, your assumptions are full of inexplicable holes. While corrupt police robbing people in taxis explains everything.
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The police told the press that they have no evidence that a robbery occurred. That was after they interviewed the swimmers.

Corrupt police may have robbed the swimmers, but the police have no evidence that any robbery occurred at all. The only genuine evidence they have is evidence that the swimmers are lying. Video evidence of corrupt swimmers in Rio. It's a possible prison sentence for that.
 
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