Ed Olympic swimmers may have lied about being robbed

[TheGoldcountry]

What is the reason to make up this story? Quit avoiding the key question.

Can we say "don't know" and yet still talk about possibilities?

 

[TheGoldcountry]

Calm down? How about you grow up.

Wow. You need to take a breather.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Diversity is Brazil's greatest strength!

 

[William Parcher]

When was the last time you came home from a party between 4am and 7am and could tell a consistent story of the evenings events?

(Hint: If they all four told the same story then it wasn't really a party.)

Lochte said the gun barrel was placed on his forehead. That tends to sober a dude up and make you pay attention to what happens next - like when you got back home.

 

[cullennz]

IOW, your assumptions are full of inexplicable holes. While corrupt police robbing people in taxis explains everything.

How?

Why the warrants?

 

[cullennz]

Lochte said the gun barrel was placed on his forehead. That tends to sober a dude up and make you pay attention to what happens next - like when you got back home.

That assumes there was a gun

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Can we say "don't know" and yet still talk about possibilities?

You can say don't know all you want. I say the most likely thing was corrupt police. I posted evidence police in Rio are corrupt. There is no evidence anything else explains the incident.

 

[William Parcher]

One swimmer told the police that there was only one robber and he had a gun. Another swimmer told the police that there were several robbers and one of them had the gun.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

How?

Why the warrants?

What do you mean, how?

The warrants may be an attempt to crack down on corrupt police. I also posted evidence that was occurring in Rio.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

One swimmer told the police that there was only one robber and he had a gun. Another swimmer told the police that there were several robbers and one of them had the gun.

Have you never seen research on the reliability of eye-witness accounts? It's not that said robbery did not occur, but accounts of what happen naturally are imprecise.

 

[William Parcher]

The police working with the swimmers are the Tourist Police. I guess that's a division in Rio that deals with tourists who are victims of crimes.

 

[cullennz]

What do you mean, how?

The warrants may be an attempt to crack down on corrupt police. I also posted evidence that was occurring in Rio.

They still had their stuff when they got back. They mixed their stories up. Their is about 3 hours time difference on arrival. They were laughing and joking when they got back.

And with the Olympics spotlight on the cops if currupt are obviously not chose athletes with diplomatic reps there

 

[TheGoldcountry]

Have you never seen research on the reliability of eye-witness accounts? It's not that said robbery did not occur, but accounts of what happen naturally are imprecise.

I do agree with this, especially if people are drunk. I have seen many a bar fight, and the accounts changed with every telling.

In regards to your accusations about corrupt law enforcement, I consider this quite likely. What you need to remember is that if people posit other scenarios, it's not necessarily a direct attack on your own hypothesis.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Lochte said the gun barrel was placed on his forehead. That tends to sober a dude up and make you pay attention to what happens next - like when you got back home.

I'm not sure that is how intoxication works.

Trashed is trashed, gun or no gun. That is one of the problems with combining intoxication and guns, actually.

Recall is another victim of intoxication.

I'm not saying they didn't lie (Lochte has already modified his story in some very minor ways) but I haven't seen any evidence they lied in any substantive way.

 

[William Parcher]

Have you never seen research on the reliability of eye-witness accounts? It's not that said robbery did not occur, but accounts of what happen naturally are imprecise.

Police are quite familiar with the imprecision of eyewitnesses. They are also quite familiar with false police reports where the witnesses are actually lying to them.

The warrants weren't issued to go after corrupt police. The warrants are because of corrupt witnesses.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm not sure that is how intoxication works.

Trashed is trashed, gun or no gun. That is one of the problems with combining intoxication and guns, actually.

Recall is another victim of intoxication.

I'm not saying they didn't lie (Lochte has already modified his story in some very minor ways) but I haven't seen any evidence they lied in any substantive way.

Nor a reason.

 

[Dr. Keith]

They still had their stuff when they got back.

They never said all their stuff was taken. Just their money. (Which is consistent with stories I've heard from the region. Money and watches valued over $1k, but not electronics and normal jewelry.) Can you see money in that video?

They mixed their stories up. Their is about 3 hours time difference on arrival.

Party much?

They were laughing and joking when they got back.

Party much?

And with the Olympics spotlight on the cops if currupt are obviously not chose athletes with diplomatic reps there

Uhm, this is where I defer to others, but my understanding is that corrupt cops don't give a **** about such niceties.

 

[cullennz]

They never said all their stuff was taken. Just their money. (Which is consistent with stories I've heard from the region. Money and watches valued over $1k, but not electronics and normal jewelry.) Can you see money in that video?



Party much?



Party much?



Uhm, this is where I defer to others, but my understanding is that corrupt cops don't give a **** about such niceties.

The opening posts says wallets and all

Laughing and joking after just being robbed at gun point?

Currupt cops tend not to be stupid cops

 

[Foolmewunz]

I was just offering possibilities. I'm content to hear "the rest of the story". Stuff that would corroborate one version or the other:

> Lochte, according to Reuters, changed from robbed in the taxi to "robbed at the gas station". But in another article, it says that that detail is really that they tried to get in a taxi, presumably at or near the gas station, but the driver refused them and they were approached by the two men. If that's their claim then the footage from the station might show something. If it's the same gas station - we don't know that, yet - then the absence of them or the robbers on the video would be telling, but does the security cam point out to the street or at the gas station?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-rio-lochte-police-idUSKCN10T07K

I can't find the referenced Matt Lauer interview, but here's another link with more details.

https://swimswam.com/in-interview-with-matt-lauer-ryan-lochte-sticks-to-his-story/

> Is there a time stamp on the video of them returning to the Olympic Village. One report says 7 a.m., another says 6. Sunrise is 6:10, I think. No one's actually corroborated, that I've seen, that they left the party at 4. If they left at 5 when the club closed, supposedly, they could've dawdled for an hour.

If they left the party at 4 a.m., had their encounter within a few minutes thereafter and gave up all their cash, they would've had to walk back. Why wouldn't they return to the club and ask someone to help them out? It's just another gap.

> Or they could've been out partying at a transvestite bar or S&M party or with notorious gun runners or people smugglers.... we need the rest of the story.

> If the cops picked them up before the first stories were filed 4/6 hours ago, there should be some kind of statement by early morning Rio time.

My point in discussing the known phenomenon of "crooked cops" is that I certainly don't put any faith in the criminal justice system in any country just on the basis of a police filing and a friendly judge. It the comments from the Lauer interview are correct, the cops didn't much care when they initially talked to them, when they reported the incident. Now it's a bigger deal... gee, after the story made the international press. In a country like Brazil, particularly Rio, which relies on tourist dollars, it's very common to try to clean up the story. Here? The police would have them in for a chat and they would all pose for photographs and one of the swimmers would be convinced to change his story slightly to "and they had foreign accents, probably from Paraguay, we think". But that's just us. We like to blame outsiders. They're sort of our Trump-inations; crossing the borders to rape and kill.

I'm still agnostic on what happened. I'm just not rushing off to believe a the statements of law enforcement in third world countries.

 

[Dr. Keith]

The opening posts says wallets and all

I thought they explicitly excluded passports, cellphones, and credentials. So, not "all".

Laughing and joking after just being robbed at gun point?

Have done. Like I said, party much?

Currupt cops tend not to be stupid cops

Nope. When corruption is that widespread there is plenty of stupid in the mix.

I'll rip off Foolmewunz: I'm still agnostic on what happened. I'm just not rushing off to believe the statements of law enforcement in third world countries.