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Ed Is Humayun Khan Trump's Turning Point?

NoahFence said:
The highlighted are the same thing, are they not? If it weren't for the convention, we'd not know about the Khans and there'd be no fight.
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No, they are two separate things. While the Khans spoke at the convention, and did get some play around the Hillary supporter's social media, Trump's gaffe and doubling down, and people's reaction to it didn't happen until after the convention was over.

So there's a bounce from the convention itself (including the Khan's speech), and there's whatever the voter reaction is going to be to how Trump handled the Kahns. We should start seeing the effect from that in the next few days.

IMO, Trump's reaction is going to have a longer effect because I think every time he does something like this, he convinces more people that he cannot be presidential. Let's say he takes a 5 point hit for those statements. Some of those people will go back to Trump, but a portion of those will not. This time even more so because he went after someone that you do NOT go after.

That's normal par for the course stuff in an election. The candidates take turns making mistakes and losing/gaining support. The problem with Trump is that he seems to have way too many turns at saying stupid things. Every time he does that, he permanently loses voters, and Hillary doesn't seem to be doing enough wrong for him to regain.
 
NoahFence said:
The highlighted are the same thing, are they not? If it weren't for the convention, we'd not know about the Khans and there'd be no fight.
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Yeah, but the convention ended on Thursday and the war with the Khans was going great guns all the way through yesterday.

The dust hasn't settled yet.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
IMO, Trump's reaction is going to have a longer effect because I think every time he does something like this, he convinces more people that he cannot be presidential.
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More than that, he is shedding parts of the GOP base. I think that is what is going to make these tantrums more significant and long-lasting.

Being anti-PC is great so long as it's the other guy's sacred cows they're going after, but when they start going after your sacred cows...
 
I'm sure this was thoroughly analysed in a thread entitled "Is Humayan Khan Trump's Turning Point?" in fora devoted to scepticism, so forgive me if I repeat things already said. Khan's speech is a master piece of induced inferences used to get political gain. That doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy him manipulatively bashing Trump by verbal means and malafides, as the Don deserves that and then some just because of the way he has been using his tongue to plough the field of understanding with such tools to the same end.

But anyway, I'm impressed by the use of Khan's induced inferences John Oliver's writers do to add a hilarious induced inference themselves. It's amazing how bad faith minutely rewards in our modern world.

The set of induced inferences I'm talking about is:

Khan: «Donald Trump: You're asking Americans to trust you with their future <non sequitur intended as induced inference #1> Let ME ask you, have you even read the United States' Constitution?[the term "even" intoned for aiming purposes]<non sequitur intended as induced inference #2 -Khan silences the cheers in order to keep the needed momentum> I will gladly lend you my copy! [use of indicative -instead of conditional- and adverb to reinforce the inference]»

Of course, the cheers mean the public fall for the false inferences and those cheers themselves reinforce other people falling for them.

Jocularly, Oliver adds his own hilarious induced inferences supported by adequate gesturing:

Oliver: «<induced inference #3, after Khan's words, consisting in a reinterpretation of the whole paragraph> Ooohh, ****!! That is an American founding document [he slips his hand into his pocket exactly as Khan did...] inspirationally used as a middle finger! [and shows his middle finger]»

What Khan really says: "Trump is a leader, and I will provide him some information if he needed"

What Khan's induces to think he says "Trump is asking too much, as he has clearly no real knowledge of what constitutes the very essence of the United States and how the government works. The same as you, I would like to rub these 'facts' all over his face, given the chance". And Oliver's doubles de bet by inducing "He said '**** you, Trump!' "

There is a whole number of tweaks, pauses, emphasis, careful selection of words and whatnot seeking effect. The most notorious parts of Khan's are about the same and almost everything else in it was just preparing the way to these carefully calculated inferences that damaged Trump hardly.

Well done. Owing to the bovine electorate in front who are merely children with XXL bodies, fire has to be fight with fire, because, you all know, by the cancellative properties of ****, two wrongs make a right, don't they?
 
The Don said:
My cat's rear end is more presidential than the candidate.....
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That gives me an idea. Perhaps Trump's remarks would be less offensive if he spoke them into a tray of easy-clumping scoopable litter with FreshScent release action. I hope they provide him with that at the debate. And I hope he hasn't eaten any rubber bands.
 
@SopanDeb 16m16 minutes ago
Trump in VA receives copy of Purple Heart from a vet: "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier."
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:jaw-dropp
 
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