Ed Is Humayun Khan Trump's Turning Point?

[pgwenthold]

Exactly.
The BBC interviewer asked if they think an apology is in order and they pointedly said no. They also acknowledged the importance of the First Amendment right to free speech.

Mr. Khan summed up the entire campaign very succinctly. He said that Trump lacks any sort of empathy and that empathy is required to be president. A good leader must be able to empathize with the people he is leading.

..............
Trump claims he was viciously attacked. Just out of perverse curiosity I wonder what Trump would say if a reporter asked him for an an example of a criticism of Trump that is not a vicious attack. I think Trump might be baffled by the question. He sees the tiniest criticisms as an affront to his dignity and self-worth.

The reason Khan was invited to speak at the convention is because he puts a face on the anti-muslim rhetoric that Trump has been spewing. When Trump says, "We can't let Muslims immigrate because they are all potential terrorists" that means the Khan family, too.

Yes, Khan called him out on it, but to Khan, that passive-aggressive attack by Trump was a personal attack on him and his son. That he didn't refer to Khan individually initially doesn't change the fact that it was an attack on him.

It's like when people complain about scientists being liars who are serving corporate interests and therefore can't be trusted. I'm a scientist. Why shouldn't I take that personally? In fact, I do.

 

[GodMark2]

Exactly.
The BBC interviewer asked if they think an apology is in order and they pointedly said no. They also acknowledged the importance of the First Amendment right to free speech.

Mr. Khan summed up the entire campaign very succinctly. He said that Trump lacks any sort of empathy and that empathy is required to be president. A good leader must be able to empathize with the people he is leading.

..............
Trump claims he was viciously attacked. Just out of perverse curiosity I wonder what Trump would say if a reporter asked him for an an example of a criticism of Trump that is not a vicious attack. I think Trump might be baffled by the question. He sees the tiniest criticisms as an affront to his dignity and self-worth.

Considering over half his supposed wealth is in the "value of the 'Trump' name", anything that makes him look less than messianic *is* an attack on his self worth.

 

[tyr_13]

Well, I look forward to your explanation why this guy, Brian Duffy, the head of the VFW, has any kind of special moral authority. He is an advocate for veterans. It is to be expected that he fights to preserve the taboo against criticizing the families of veterans.

I look forward to your explanation on why any kind of special moral authority is needed. One need not even have normal moral authority to be able to criticize Trump's reaction and reasoning. All that is needed is the bare inkling of the ability to empathize in order to have objections to Trump's response.

And you're insinuating that the primary reason Trump's being raked over the coals for this by just about everyone is this 'taboo' against criticizing the families of veterans. No. Not even close. It was not that Trump disagreed with them in and of itself, but the specifics of his disagreement and the way he expresses it. Yours here is the kind of straw man one would expect of a child. Not all criticisms are equivalent. If someone were to call your mother a 'hormonal bitch', would it be a valid counter to your objection of it with, 'so no one can be critical of your mother?'. Of course not. Is a child who responds to being told that they can't go to the movies tonight with 'so I'm a prisoner?' correct? Of course not.

One cannot just sidestep the specifics of what was said and why people are being critical of him by focusing only on the broadest nature of being critical at all. It's telling that these are the best defenses of what Trump has done.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I get the impression that for the first time in his life, people are criticising him. Can this really be the first time he has to deal with people calling him out for his spoiled brat like behavior? It certainly seems that way.

It's likely the first time he's had to deal with it on such a large scale.

 

[JoeB]

Now some data to support it. Last week 538's model that accounts for convention bumps had the race at about 50/50. After the latest set of polls: 68/32

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus

 

[Fudbucker]

Now some data to support it. Last week 538's model that accounts for convention bumps had the race at about 50/50. After the latest set of polls: 68/32

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus

Wow, that changed fast. This morning, it was something like 55-45, if memory serves.

 

[JoeB]

Wow, that changed fast. This morning, it was something like 55-45, if memory serves.

Polls out today were not kind to Trump.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Most favorable had him +4 for in a 4 way race in GA and there was different GA poll that had that as a tie.

 

[dudalb]

Wow, that changed fast. This morning, it was something like 55-45, if memory serves.

I think the news that Trump was doubling down on his attacks on Kahn has an impact.

 

[Frank Newgent]

Supposedly, there's still 20-odd percent that are undecided. I can't imagine this little dust-up is pushing them towards Trump.

Of course it will, he isn't being politically correct, people love that about him.

My new way of viewing this particular phenomenon is... that with the political world seemingly so indeterminate/polarized, attempts to accurately represent the world are given up on and, instead, replaced with attempts to honestly represent oneself... ie being oneself, now, seems to mean being free of having to be correct.

 

[Elagabalus]

I think the news that Trump was doubling down on his attacks on Kahn has an impact.

Indeed, reminds me of that other litigious doubling down ******* ... Lance Armstrong. Apparently, if you're a bully, you cannot even entertain the idea of hanging back.

 

[acbytesla]

Now some data to support it. Last week 538's model that accounts for convention bumps had the race at about 50/50. After the latest set of polls: 68/32

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus

And Trump's inability to put a cork in it will make it worse.

What's kind of unknown is how much lag time is there after events to understand their full effects.

How much of the present Clinton momentum is the convention bounce?
And when will we know the full effects of Trump's Phyrric war with the Khans?

Will it keep getting worse for Trump? I said yesterday that this was good for 5 points. Now I'm wondering if I low balled it.

And even worse for Trump, the fight with a Gold Star family may be alienating voters permanently.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I predict that Trump will get at least 45% of the vote.

In addition to the two tiny categories you list, there will be GOP loyalists, and Not-Hillary voters.

Perhaps you agree with my post more than you realize . . . just sayin'

 

[A'isha]

I think the news that Trump was doubling down on his attacks on Kahn has an impact.

Now he's tripling down.

In an interview with a local Ohio television station on Monday, Donald Trump said that Khizr Khan was really bothered by his position on border security — specifically his promise to keep radical Islamic terrorists from entering the country.

[...]

When the interviewer brought up Trump’s position on border security, Trump said, “It’s a very big subject for me. And border security’s very big. And when you have radical Islamic terrorists probably all over the place, we’re allowing them to come in by the thousands and thousands. And I think that’s what bothered Mr. Khan more than anything else.

"And, you know, I’m not going to change my views on that. We have radical Islamic terrorists coming in that have to be stopped. We’re taking them in by the thousands.”

 

[Foolmewunz]

Well, I look forward to your explanation why this guy, Brian Duffy, the head of the VFW, has any kind of special moral authority. He is an advocate for veterans. It is to be expected that he fights to preserve the taboo against criticizing the families of veterans.

Wait, what? Yesterday it was "ha ha, only eleven.... you fail, bad critical thinking, poor evidence...." Today, it's "Pshaw.... who's this guy to claim any moral authority... Show me where the Pope, the Dalai Lama and the previous four Nobel Peace Prize winners said it was reprehensible, huh? Gotcha there, didn't I."

And tomorrow's news?
Oslo: The Nobel Peace Prize Alumnae Association voted 74-1 to censure Donald Trump.
London: The Dalai Lama has erected a Dump Trump: He Picks on Veterans' Parents sign at his town house entranceway and has asked all his supporters in Marin County to get out and stop the hate by voting against the GOP ticket.
Vatican City: Pope says Donald Trump will surely burn in Hell for his anti-Christian treatment of Khan family.
Sunmaster14: Bunch of foreigners meddling in election politics. Show me where Sean Hannity and Lew Rockwell and Cliven Bundy disapproved, huh? This is a tiny minority of the world's moral authority. It's the liberal media, I sez.

 

[sunmaster14]

Wait, what? Yesterday it was "ha ha, only eleven.... you fail, bad critical thinking, poor evidence...." Today, it's "Pshaw.... who's this guy to claim any moral authority... Show me where the Pope, the Dalai Lama and the previous four Nobel Peace Prize winners said it was reprehensible, huh? Gotcha there, didn't I."

And tomorrow's news?
Oslo: The Nobel Peace Prize Alumnae Association voted 74-1 to censure Donald Trump.
London: The Dalai Lama has erected a Dump Trump: He Picks on Veterans' Parents sign at his town house entranceway and has asked all his supporters in Marin County to get out and stop the hate by voting against the GOP ticket.
Vatican City: Pope says Donald Trump will surely burn in Hell for his anti-Christian treatment of Khan family.
Sunmaster14: Bunch of foreigners meddling in election politics. Show me where Sean Hannity and Lew Rockwell and Cliven Bundy disapproved, huh? This is a tiny minority of the world's moral authority. It's the liberal media, I sez.

Snore. Hey, can you PM me when you think of something clever to post again? It's been a while.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Now he's tripling down.

There are professional wrestlers who play villain characters who are less over-the-top insanely evil in their speeches. Are we absolutely sure that Trump's candidacy isn't some kind of sociology experiment or a prank? Has Ashton Kutcher been seen filming nearby?

 

[snoop_doxie]

There are professional wrestlers who play villain characters who are less over-the-top insanely evil in their speeches. Are we absolutely sure that Trump's candidacy isn't some kind of sociology experiment or a prank? Has Ashton Kutcher been seen filming nearby?

Well, there must be a lot of tape out there.
Let's check it frame by frame, and catch that evil bastage.



I was wondering about the same thing today.
When Trump had to say "radical Islamic terrorists".

 

[Tony Stark]

The Khans are on MSNBC right now.

Good job getting them all over the news days later, Donald, you idiot.

 

[Stacko]

There are professional wrestlers who play villain characters who are less over-the-top insanely evil in their speeches.

Did you see his entrance at the RNC? Straight outta the WWE script. This makes sense as Professional Wrestling is fiction that an eerily surprising number of fans believe is real which helps explain the Donald's support.

 

[Tony Stark]

Hasn't Donald literally been a WWE villain?