Ed Is Humayun Khan Trump's Turning Point?

[ponderingturtle]

Supposedly, there's still 20-odd percent that are undecided. I can't imagine this little dust-up is pushing them towards Trump.

Of course it will, he isn't being politically correct, people love that about him.

 

[ponderingturtle]

As soon as you step into the political arena you invite challenge and attack. No one is immune from this. We might ease off if you are crippled, blind, a widow or some other approved category, but putting your story into the mix means crossing the line into opinion territory. I might adore the Pope for being all Popey and speaking God's word on earth, but he can damn well keep his opinions about women to himself.

I didn't hold back on Joe the Plumber, salt of the earth representative of the downtrodden middle class. Just as soon as he expressed an opinion he was fair game.

Exactly terrorist scum like that should be banned from being in the US entirely not just from the military. If trump was president this loser would be alive and have been properly purged from the US military.

 

[marplots]

Exactly terrorist scum like that should be banned from being in the US entirely not just from the military. If trump was president this loser would be alive and have been properly purged from the US military.

That's a tough counterfactual there. Would I take a living son, no fame and Trump as president instead of dead son, notoriety and Clinton?

Me? I'd probably go with the live son and make the best of the rest.

 

[lionking]

Nope. Not a turning point. In fact, as usual, the Democratic Party and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) are overplaying their hand. Khan has been given too big a stage, he continues to attack assuming that his status as a Gold star parent gives him immunity from attack, and his argument is too fallacious.

This rant here is simply unhinged:



Umm, sorry, Mr. Khan, but you are not a deity, nor even particularly worthy of respect. Your son is worthy of respect, but why do you think that grants you any special moral authority?



Oh, I see. The status of a Gold Star mother is prescribed in the Constitution? I hadn't remembered that. What a buffoon.

By the way, has anybody run the numbers? I mean if a Gold Star parent has, say, 100x the moral authority of a normal person (and, for the life of me, I can't figure out why that should be so), shouldn't we add up the preferences of the 6884 other Gold Star families from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We might be able to infer that the other 13 Muslim Gold Star families, (by the way, a ratio of 14/6885 = 0.2% as compared with the order of magnitude greater proportion of Muslims in the American population) are against Trump, but might not the majority of the remaining 6671 Gold Star families still support Trump?

If Trump is smart, and it seems like he is getting better advice, he can, by patiently explaining that Khan's attacks are directed at the wrong target, turn this to his benefit. Americans can recognize unfair attacks when they see them, which is why the Cindy Sheehan stuff never really gained traction with the public in turning against Bush, despite the media's best efforts. As long as Trump refrains from directly attacking Khan, and instead lets unaffiliated surrogates do it (just has Hillary's flacks have done to Patricia Smith), then it will redound to his benefit.

This has apparently been making the rounds in reference to Trump.



Note, however, that William Shatner's bad acting was really Jim Kirk's bad acting. Khan had in fact fallen into Kirk's trap rather than vice versa. Not a bad analogy for the current situation, in my opinion.

What a nauseating, bitter post. This could have come straight out of a Trump press release. I need to take a shower.

 

[NoahFence]

It seems to me that the revolting way Trump has handled Humayan Khan's parents at the DNC might just be the catalyst to wake some of his supporters up and make them realise their guy is a cowardly bully.

Indeed.

Much as I have little sympathy (none) for grunts who manage to get themselves killed while on active service, attacking Khan's parents is way beyond the pale.

I'm sorry, what??
Attacking grunts who manage to get themselves killed while on active service is beyond the pale, too.

It's nice to see rank, festering hypocrisy isn't only a trait of the religious. Give yourself a pat on the back!!

 

[JPK]

Good morning. This is one of the most interesting presidential runs I can remember. Donald Trump is a loose cannon. I get the impression that for the first time in his life, people are criticising him. Can this really be the first time he has to deal with people calling him out for his spoiled brat like behavior? It certainly seems that way. It must be very hard for him, the self proclaimed thick skinned, best temperament, very smart, man with lots of words. The best words. Especially when a good proportion of the harsh things said about him are coming from his own party.
Just on this one issue where he felt the need to attack the parents of a fallen US soldier.
John McCain: "It is time for Donald Trump to set the example for our country and the future of the Republican Party," McCain said. "While our Party has bestowed upon him the nomination, it is not accompanied by unfettered license to defame those who are the best among us.

"Lastly, I'd like to say to Mr. and Mrs. Khan: thank you for immigrating to America. We're a better country because of you. And you are certainly right; your son was the best of America, and the memory of his sacrifice will make us a better nation -- and he will never be forgotten."
Sen. Lindsey Graham: "This is going to a place where we've never gone before, to push back against the families of the fallen. There used to be some things that were sacred in American politics -- that you don't do -- like criticizing the parents of a fallen soldier even if they criticize you."
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"If you're going to be leader of the free world, you have to be able to accept criticism. Mr. Trump can't," Graham said. "The problem is, 'unacceptable' doesn't even begin to describe it."
Jeb Bush: "This is so incredibly disrespectful of a family that endured the ultimate sacrifice for our country,"
John Kasich:"There's only one way to talk about Gold Star parents: with honor and respect," "Capt. Khan is a hero. Together, we should pray for his family."
John Weaver, Kasich's campaign manager: "Trump's slur against Captain Khan's mother is, even for him, beyond the pale. He has NO redeeming qualities."
Paul Ryan: "America's greatness is built on the principles of liberty and preserved by the men and women who wear the uniform to defend it," "As I have said on numerous occasions, a religious test for entering our country is not reflective of these fundamental values. I reject it. Many Muslim Americans have served valiantly in our military, and made the ultimate sacrifice. Captain Khan was one such brave example. His sacrifice -- and that of Khizr and Ghazala Khan -- should always be honored. Period."
Mitch McConnell: "Captain Khan was an American hero, and like all Americans I'm grateful for the sacrifices that selfless young men like Captain Khan and their families have made in the war on terror," "All Americans should value the patriotic service of the patriots who volunteer to selflessly defend us in the armed services," "And as I have long made clear, I agree with the (Khans) and families across the country that a travel ban on all members of a religion is simply contrary to American values."
Will any of these statements make a difference to the Trump followers? Probably not. Unsinkable Rubber Ducks. It does say something about the GOP. Trump seem to be a product of their own design. Kind of a Frankenstein Monster. Trump can't understand why his creators are attacking him.

 

[sunmaster14]

What a nauseating, bitter post. This could have come straight out of a Trump press release. I need to take a shower.

I doubt it will help you.

 

[angrysoba]

I dunno. Politicians have been sunk for far less, but Trump seems to be made of Teflon. Nothing sticks.

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The Teflon Don, no less.

 

[lionking]

I doubt it will help you.

Maybe not. But it will help me sleep knowing I'm not defending the indefensible.

 

[alfaniner]

Reagan was Teflon. It looks like Trump is going to be J-Lube.

 

[Cleon]

Nope. Not a turning point. In fact, as usual, the Democratic Party and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) are overplaying their hand. Khan has been given too big a stage, he continues to attack assuming that his status as a Gold star parent gives him immunity from attack, and his argument is too fallacious.

This rant here is simply unhinged:



Umm, sorry, Mr. Khan, but you are not a deity, nor even particularly worthy of respect. Your son is worthy of respect, but why do you think that grants you any special moral authority?



Oh, I see. The status of a Gold Star mother is prescribed in the Constitution? I hadn't remembered that. What a buffoon.

By the way, has anybody run the numbers? I mean if a Gold Star parent has, say, 100x the moral authority of a normal person (and, for the life of me, I can't figure out why that should be so), shouldn't we add up the preferences of the 6884 other Gold Star families from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We might be able to infer that the other 13 Muslim Gold Star families, (by the way, a ratio of 14/6885 = 0.2% as compared with the order of magnitude greater proportion of Muslims in the American population) are against Trump, but might not the majority of the remaining 6671 Gold Star families still support Trump?

If Trump is smart, and it seems like he is getting better advice, he can, by patiently explaining that Khan's attacks are directed at the wrong target, turn this to his benefit. Americans can recognize unfair attacks when they see them, which is why the Cindy Sheehan stuff never really gained traction with the public in turning against Bush, despite the media's best efforts. As long as Trump refrains from directly attacking Khan, and instead lets unaffiliated surrogates do it (just has Hillary's flacks have done to Patricia Smith), then it will redound to his benefit.

This has apparently been making the rounds in reference to Trump.



Note, however, that William Shatner's bad acting was really Jim Kirk's bad acting. Khan had in fact fallen into Kirk's trap rather than vice versa. Not a bad analogy for the current situation, in my opinion.

Seriously? Ew.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Nope. Not a turning point. In fact, as usual, the Democratic Party and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) are overplaying their hand. Khan has been given too big a stage, he continues to attack assuming that his status as a Gold star parent gives him immunity from attack, and his argument is too fallacious.

This rant here is simply unhinged:



Umm, sorry, Mr. Khan, but you are not a deity, nor even particularly worthy of respect. Your son is worthy of respect, but why do you think that grants you any special moral authority?



Oh, I see. The status of a Gold Star mother is prescribed in the Constitution? I hadn't remembered that. What a buffoon.

By the way, has anybody run the numbers? I mean if a Gold Star parent has, say, 100x the moral authority of a normal person (and, for the life of me, I can't figure out why that should be so), shouldn't we add up the preferences of the 6884 other Gold Star families from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We might be able to infer that the other 13 Muslim Gold Star families, (by the way, a ratio of 14/6885 = 0.2% as compared with the order of magnitude greater proportion of Muslims in the American population) are against Trump, but might not the majority of the remaining 6671 Gold Star families still support Trump?

If Trump is smart, and it seems like he is getting better advice, he can, by patiently explaining that Khan's attacks are directed at the wrong target, turn this to his benefit. Americans can recognize unfair attacks when they see them, which is why the Cindy Sheehan stuff never really gained traction with the public in turning against Bush, despite the media's best efforts. As long as Trump refrains from directly attacking Khan, and instead lets unaffiliated surrogates do it (just has Hillary's flacks have done to Patricia Smith), then it will redound to his benefit.

This has apparently been making the rounds in reference to Trump.



Note, however, that William Shatner's bad acting was really Jim Kirk's bad acting. Khan had in fact fallen into Kirk's trap rather than vice versa. Not a bad analogy for the current situation, in my opinion.

This is brilliant. Why didn't realize that we walked into a Trump Trap. He decided, with his brilliant handlers, that it wasn't a good thing to be leading by two points in the national polls, so they would lure out the noted liberal media and see just how much they would attack him. Will ABP be along to explain with you how this is actually helping Trump and hurting Hillary?

His advisors have him under control? Which one said, "Ya know what, we could just tweet some stuff about Hillary's emails, but why don't we attack the parents of a soldier who died in action? Insinuate that they're Un-American and live by Sharia law; that'll go over really big."

Who did they hire in addition to Manafort? I'd give one nod to Roger Stone, but his comments are even more reprehensible than Trump's performance.

Trump has got the worst advisors since the travel agent said, "Well, yeah you should use a condom, but how often do you get a vacation in Haiti, heh heh?"

Maybe in a bi-partisan move he hired the guy who said, "Ooooh, I've got a great idea Governor D. Why don't we get you in a goofy helmet and a tank? That'll show you're not a peacenik hippie."

 

[NoahFence]

Good morning. This is one of the most interesting presidential runs I can remember. Donald Trump is a loose cannon. I get the impression that for the first time in his life, people are criticising him. Can this really be the first time he has to deal with people calling him out for his spoiled brat like behavior? It certainly seems that way. It must be very hard for him, the self proclaimed thick skinned, best temperament, very smart, man with lots of words. The best words. Especially when a good proportion of the harsh things said about him are coming from his own party.
Just on this one issue where he felt the need to attack the parents of a fallen US soldier.
John McCain: "It is time for Donald Trump to set the example for our country and the future of the Republican Party," McCain said. "While our Party has bestowed upon him the nomination, it is not accompanied by unfettered license to defame those who are the best among us.

"Lastly, I'd like to say to Mr. and Mrs. Khan: thank you for immigrating to America. We're a better country because of you. And you are certainly right; your son was the best of America, and the memory of his sacrifice will make us a better nation -- and he will never be forgotten."
Sen. Lindsey Graham: "This is going to a place where we've never gone before, to push back against the families of the fallen. There used to be some things that were sacred in American politics -- that you don't do -- like criticizing the parents of a fallen soldier even if they criticize you."
&
"If you're going to be leader of the free world, you have to be able to accept criticism. Mr. Trump can't," Graham said. "The problem is, 'unacceptable' doesn't even begin to describe it."
Jeb Bush: "This is so incredibly disrespectful of a family that endured the ultimate sacrifice for our country,"
John Kasich:"There's only one way to talk about Gold Star parents: with honor and respect," "Capt. Khan is a hero. Together, we should pray for his family."
John Weaver, Kasich's campaign manager: "Trump's slur against Captain Khan's mother is, even for him, beyond the pale. He has NO redeeming qualities."
Paul Ryan: "America's greatness is built on the principles of liberty and preserved by the men and women who wear the uniform to defend it," "As I have said on numerous occasions, a religious test for entering our country is not reflective of these fundamental values. I reject it. Many Muslim Americans have served valiantly in our military, and made the ultimate sacrifice. Captain Khan was one such brave example. His sacrifice -- and that of Khizr and Ghazala Khan -- should always be honored. Period."
Mitch McConnell: "Captain Khan was an American hero, and like all Americans I'm grateful for the sacrifices that selfless young men like Captain Khan and their families have made in the war on terror," "All Americans should value the patriotic service of the patriots who volunteer to selflessly defend us in the armed services," "And as I have long made clear, I agree with the (Khans) and families across the country that a travel ban on all members of a religion is simply contrary to American values."
Will any of these statements make a difference to the Trump followers? Probably not. Unsinkable Rubber Ducks. It does say something about the GOP. Trump seem to be a product of their own design. Kind of a Frankenstein Monster. Trump can't understand why his creators are attacking him.

But all those people are librulz don't you know?

 

[sunmaster14]

Maybe not. But it will help me sleep knowing I'm not defending the indefensible.

A shower will help you sleep? I can sort of see that if you have to stay up later waiting for your hair to dry. Of course, that presumes you have hair.

 

[sunmaster14]

<snip>

Trump has got the worst advisors since the travel agent said, "Well, yeah you should use a condom, but how often do you get a vacation in Haiti, heh heh?"

Sheesh. You butchered the joke, which was from an SNL parody commercial for bad idea jeans.

Going from memory, it was "Sure, I thought about using a condom, but then I thought, when am I ever going to get back to Haiti?" See, the implication is that the guy isn't worried about getting a woman pregnant, but he's neglecting the chance of contracting AIDS.

Regardless, I wasn't saying that Trump planned this. Of course he didn't. I'm just saying that the Democrats have overplayed their hand. It's going to backfire.

 

[varwoche]

I dunno. Politicians have been sunk for far less, but Trump seems to be made of Teflon. Nothing sticks.

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Ordinary Teflon? Nah. He's that new style of copper. Everything washes right off, plus it's a color match.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Sheesh. You butchered the joke, which was from an SNL parody commercial for bad idea jeans.

Going from memory, it was "Sure, I thought about using a condom, but then I thought, when am I ever going to get back to Haiti?" See, the implication is that the guy isn't worried about getting a woman pregnant, but he's neglecting the chance of contracting AIDS.

Regardless, I wasn't saying that Trump planned this. Of course he didn't. I'm just saying that the Democrats have overplayed their hand. It's going to backfire.

Double sheesh.... I know the skit. It wouldn't make any sense in context.

We'll see if it's overplayed. Fox News has stooges on who rather than doing their usual pit bull act are actually criticizing Donald's rashness. Al Jazeera, Radio France, BBC, Asia News Network, Australian Broadcasting, etc.... they're all covering it. [Oh, and that's Fox USA I was referring to above.]

Face it, your boy stepped in it, big time.

 

[Mycroft]

A shower will help you sleep? I can sort of see that if you have to stay up later waiting for your hair to dry. Of course, that presumes you have hair.

Lions have lots of hair.

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[acbytesla]

Nope. Not a turning point. In fact, as usual, the Democratic Party and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) are overplaying their hand. Khan has been given too big a stage, he continues to attack assuming that his status as a Gold star parent gives him immunity from attack, and his argument is too fallacious.

This rant here is simply unhinged:



Umm, sorry, Mr. Khan, but you are not a deity, nor even particularly worthy of respect. Your son is worthy of respect, but why do you think that grants you any special moral authority?



Oh, I see. The status of a Gold Star mother is prescribed in the Constitution? I hadn't remembered that. What a buffoon.

By the way, has anybody run the numbers? I mean if a Gold Star parent has, say, 100x the moral authority of a normal person (and, for the life of me, I can't figure out why that should be so), shouldn't we add up the preferences of the 6884 other Gold Star families from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We might be able to infer that the other 13 Muslim Gold Star families, (by the way, a ratio of 14/6885 = 0.2% as compared with the order of magnitude greater proportion of Muslims in the American population) are against Trump, but might not the majority of the remaining 6671 Gold Star families still support Trump?

If Trump is smart, and it seems like he is getting better advice, he can, by patiently explaining that Khan's attacks are directed at the wrong target, turn this to his benefit. Americans can recognize unfair attacks when they see them, which is why the Cindy Sheehan stuff never really gained traction with the public in turning against Bush, despite the media's best efforts. As long as Trump refrains from directly attacking Khan, and instead lets unaffiliated surrogates do it (just has Hillary's flacks have done to Patricia Smith), then it will redound to his benefit.

This has apparently been making the rounds in reference to Trump.



Note, however, that William Shatner's bad acting was really Jim Kirk's bad acting. Khan had in fact fallen into Kirk's trap rather than vice versa. Not a bad analogy for the current situation, in my opinion.

This posts demonstrate why Trump and you don't get it. What Trump is doing and you continue to do is show a dearth of empathy and of being way out of touch. I've seen a very small number of antiwar protesters on the far left show a similar lack of empathy for what Lincoln called the last full measure of devotion.

Call it politically correct if you want, but there are some things you do not do. And this may be first among those.

Attacking the parents of a fallen soldier is something YOU NEVER EVER EVER DO. Trump and now you seem oblivious to this. Nothing you can say justifies it.

You think this is the first time the parents of a fallen soldier, officer or rescue worker have lashed out against a political leader? Not even close. Hillary was similarly attacked by the mother of woman who lost her son at Ben Ghazzi. She didn't attack the woman. No, instead she showed empathy for her. It's what you do because there is nothing you can say.

Beyond the classlessness and total lack of empathy. Trump's attack was monumentally stupid and so is defending it. That was a no win situation for Trump as it is for you. You're defending the indefensible.

Trump just turned what was an electrifying moment at the DNC and turned it into what may end up being the defining moment of the election. Trump Swift boated himself.

You can bet the Clinton campaign reaction to watching him attack the Khans went from shock to outright giddiness. Why not just hand them the election on a silver platter? I'd bet that they are already running ads with the Khans and Trump's attack along with comments from Republicans and soldiers and their familiess.

Trump wasn't just being politically incorrect, he was being monumentally obtuse.

Who really wants someone like that to be President?

 

[NoahFence]

Who really wants someone like that to be President?

Idiots.