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Why not admit that Hubble is lost and gone ?

The existence of the Hubble


No, Begging The Question (Fallacy): you merely Observed 'Something'.


Objects that are tracked around the world by professionals and amateurs alike.


That's mere Software. I have a Buddy that'll contrive an app for Tracking a Surfing Humpty Dumpty orbiting Pluto for $99!! (lol)



Objects for which we have masses of data and witnesses to their launch.


Well Launching 'something' is not = to having that 'something' orbit. It's Non-Sequitur (Fallacy)



Did you know you can buy equipment that will download data from orbiting weather satellites.


Weather "BALLOONS" you meant to say.



I did it in the late 1980s using METEOSAT and NOAA data. Predictable as clockwork, that's what the literature says.


Well the US BALLOON Program has been going since the 1930's (@ Least).



you're prejudging the conclusion, and given that you have not actually demonstrated that anyone can produce celestial objects (Japanese satellites in orbit producing short lived shooting stars are not enough) your conclusions are unreasonable and illogical.


oh brother.


This is not a hypothesis. Try again.


What part of "Since you don't have a prayer of producing a single viable "Independent Variable" so as to set up an Experiment; Ergo... it's outside the scope of the Scientific Method" ... don't you understand?

Of course :thumbsup:, you don't even know what an Actual Scientific Hypothesis is since (lol) you failed to recognize "Since you don't have a prayer of producing a single viable "Independent Variable"..." MEANING: No Scientific Hypothesis!!

:boggled:



regards
 
Erm... "Just software" seems to ignore the majority of ways it is tracked...and focuses only on a convenient one.
 
No, Begging The Question (Fallacy): you merely Observed 'Something'.

No, I observed identifiable objects whose orbital parameters are freely available.

That's mere Software. I have a Buddy that'll contrive an app for Tracking a Surfing Humpty Dumpty orbiting Pluto for $99!! (lol)

Software that relies on science.

Well Launching 'something' is not = to having that 'something' orbit. It's Non-Sequitur (Fallacy)

Nope, not a non-sequitur of there is tracxking data from launch to orbit and continuing while in orbit. You do, of course, have empirical proof of your claim?

Weather "BALLOONS" you meant to say.

You might subscribe to the insane babblings that claim there are no such things as satellites, I count myself as a normal person. I know what I typed, don't presume to tell me otherwise.

Well the US BALLOON Program has been going since the 1930's (@ Least).

Remarakably fast moving and predictable balloon. I was downloadng images from US and UK weather satellites using a satellite dish. Prove otherwise.

oh brother.

No answer then.

What part of ]"Since you don't have a prayer of producing a single viable "Independent Variable" so as to set up an Experiment; Ergo... it's outside the scope of the Scientific Method" ... don't you understand?

What part of provide some actual evidence for your claims are you not getting sonny?

Of course , you don't even know what an Actual Scientific Hypothesis is since (lol) you failed to recognize "Since you don't have a prayer of producing a single viable "Independent Variable"..." MEANING: No Scientific Hypothesis!!

And your scientific hypothesis is where, exactly? I see no data from you? I see no methodology or critique? I don't even see any references.




regards[/QUOTE]
 
Are Russian Satellites real?
How about European, Indian, Japanese or Chinese satellites?
 
'gravity', eh?? You could have said 'Duccolslopelgerts' and it would have had more Veracity!!

Let's see...

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So you deny the existence of gravity.

Well, no, obviously you don't because even on a flat earth stuff falls down when you drop it. So what you actually do is gish gallop through a blizzard of misleading flimflam to try to make it look as if we can't make any useful calculations with the familiar Newtonian model of gravity.

You're wrong, of course. People design bridges, buildings, aircraft, spacecraft and a whole host of other stuff using Newtonian mechanics to describe forces including gravity. And it works really well. The thing is, your screed just pulls together a lot of stuff, some real, some garbage, including the fact that Newtonian physics stops working so well when relativistic or quantum mechanical effects become significant.

That's irrelevant. You either don't know that or you just want to try to bamboozle us into not noticing that you don't have a coherent point to make.

Anyway, since you have freshly vomited it onto the page again for us, I just wanted to bring attention to this little gem of algebraic incompetence which I alluded to once before:

Let's hammer this nonsensical Mytho-matheMagics into oblivion once and for all, mmm K? So let's go back to Newton, Fg ∝ m1M2/d2 (and Cavedish: Fg = G m1M2/d2 ) so the Force of Gravity is critically dependent on all the elements in these expressions, Right?

OK, let's assume that both equations above, including Big "G", is correct.

Let's look @ the relationship between "Centrifugal Force" (Fc) and (Fg) "Force of Gravity". Basically, we want to set them "Equal" ...that way, we can calculate "The Force" holding ANY planet in their "alleged" respective orbit around the Sun.
So as before we'll define terms:
m1 (Mass of 1 Body...I will be using the Earth here but it can be any mass), M2 will be the Mass of The Sun, V = Velocity, r = Radius (distance between Earth and Sun) :

Fc = m ( V2/r )
Fg = G m1M2/d2 or (r2)

Let's set them Equal:

Fc = mEarth ( V2/r ) = G mEarth MSun / r2 = Fg . So a little Algebra...

Fc = mEarth ( V2/r ) = G mEarth MSun / r2 = Fg ....

Fc = ( V2/r ) = G MSun / r2 = Fg !!! We can Stop right here, See The Problem?? :eek:

Fc and Fg are NO LONGER "FORCES" because we just Eliminated ( " m " ) from both sides of the Equation! Remember...

Fc = m ( V2/r ) and...... Fg = G m1M2/d2 or (r2) !! D U N "DONE". When you cancel " m "...you cancel "The FORCE", simple. This is the epitome of Mytho-matheMagical Buffoonery.

So let's look at what you have here. You quite likely copied and pasted it from another forum so you may not know what the stuff you posted means.

The earth remains in orbit around the sun because it's constantly accelerating towards the sun. You produce an expession for the force required to keep the earth orbiting (Fc) and the force the sun's gravity exerts on the earth (Fg). Since gravity is what keeps the earth in orbit those two should be equal.

So what do you do then? You notice that both sides of the equation contain the mass of the earth, so those cancel out.

A competent schoolchild would see the implication of this: the mass of the earth doesn't affect the balance of the equation. Any object travelling in earth's orbit would continue in that orbit, whether it was a planet, an asteroid or a grapefruit.

Do you make that leap of perception? No. Your head asplode. Waaa! These are no longer forces! Algebra must be wrong! Waaa!

The brighter schoolchild would raise a disappointed eyebrow and indicate that yes, this is what happens when you cancel out the terms for mass in a force equation. The terms you have left describe acceleration. And they are still equal. And mathematics is not, in fact, broken. Even if you don't get it.

So, as I said, you appear to be mathematically incompetent, so there can be no plausible reason why you demand from us a description of gravity in terms of entropy other than to try to browbeat everyone.

Your flat earth isn't surrounded by an ice wall. Just a wall of ********.
 
So, to get back on schedule:

Besides, all this: hubble/iss/'nasa'/satellites ect nonsense is barely perceptible "Whistl'n Past The Graveyard" background noise without the NECESSARY Condition..."Vacuum" of Space.

SEE: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11382595&postcount=191

AGAIN (Remember your Huckleberry ;) )...

How can you have a Vacuum (Space) attached to a Non-Vacuum (Earth) and still retain the Properties of a Vacuum and a Non-Vacuum in the same system, simultaneously....?

Can you explain this in a Law of Entropy context?

Please bear in mind...

“If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for [your theory] but to collapse in the deepest humiliation.”
Arthur S. Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1930), p. 74. :thumbsup:

ps. The first attempt @ rebuttal 'gravity':rolleyes: (LOL)--- we're sorry to say, suffered such a Severe Bludgeoning out in the Woodshed that it Vapor-Locked immediately and is now in it's rightful place, beside it's fairytale sisters: Phlogiston, evolution, big bang, black holes, multiverses, SHAMWOW Towels, billion of years, ect ect.


regards
 
ps. The first attempt @ rebuttal 'gravity':rolleyes: (LOL)--- we're sorry to say, suffered such a Severe Bludgeoning out in the Woodshed ...

This is sad. This is your terminally injured argument faintly gurgling from its hospital bed that "you should see the other guy".

You got nothin'.
 
Lets get back on schedule:

How does one OBSERVE the difference between projections and satellites to establish the need to "hack a bit off"?

When I observe, for example, ISS, how do I observe if there is a need to test if it may be a projection?

Don't worry Daniel, we are all coming to our conclusions of why you are not addressing this simple step.
 
I'm still waiting for someone to explain why an observer on the equator during an equinox sees the sun at a heading of 90° instead of 45°.
 
So you deny the existence of gravity.


Oh my sir, you can't recover.

No I don't 'deny' it, I DISEMBOWELED IT --- EMPIRICALLY!! :thumbsup:

Newtonian model of gravity.


1. "Model"?? :cool: ...

"The word model is reserved for situations when it is known that the hypothesis has at least limited validity."
teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/appendixe/appendixe.html

"A model is used for situations when it is known that the hypothesis has a limitation on its validity."
physics.about.com/od/physics101thebasics/a/hypothesis.htm


2. "Newtonian"?? :cool: ...

"First I want to tell you what goes wrong with Newtonian Mechanics...the double-slit experiment is a problem; that's what put's the Nail in the Coffin for Newtonian Physics."
Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale.
Quantum Mechanics II: (3:18 minute mark)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHoHv05_Wo

"Alright So, today we're gonna shoot down Newtonian Mechanics and Maxwell's Theory. We're like the Press, we build somebody up only to destroy them".
Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale.
Quantum Mechanics I: The key experiments and wave-particle duality. (2:00 minute mark.)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2eFv7ne_Q

Are you a "Science" Denier??


You're wrong, of course.
:boggled:


Yea, it sure looks like it. :rolleyes:100000----->


the mass of the earth doesn't affect the balance of the equation.


lol lol lol lol a disheveled drunk can understand this: Fg = "G" m1M2/r2
This is tantamount to saying "m" doesn't affect the Balance of this equation: E = mc2!! :jaw-dropp

Take the next 3 days off...then quit. mmm K ?


goodbye
 
Gosh. If only we had some experimental data to test gravity, rather than trying to parse poorly written word salads...

You know... Proving gravity not only of the Earth, but of other objects. I mean...of we proved any mass had a measurable gravitational attraction, then Daniel would have to be explaining why Earth is an exception...

Oh look. We did.

Why is Earth the exception?

Why do objects accellerate at 9.8 meters per second squared give or take some air resistance?
 
Oh my

<garbage snipped>

goodbye

Like I said, you got nothin'.

If you want to persuade anyone you're not a complete failure at mathematics, how about you address any of the questions you have been avoiding?

Like for example, if the sun was directly overhead at noon, then six hours later it's setting, but if it's six-and-a-bit thousand miles away and two and a half thousand miles up, how many degrees above the horizon is it when it "sets" on flatworld?
 
I'm still waiting for someone to explain why an observer on the equator during an equinox sees the sun at a heading of 90° instead of 45°.

Indeed. I too am agog waiting for Daniel to tell us why at the equinox the sun rises due East of Quito at the same time as it's overhead in Kinshasa, when on the flat earth whose picture he posted, the sunrise direction ought to be North East.

Other basic geometry anomalies await his consideration.
 
Isn't the flat earth answer that the sun is a spotlight? That covers angles a bit, but I'm still not sure of the flat earth answer for sunrises. A spotlight wouldn't hit the horizon, it would fade somewhere in the sky.
 
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Isn't the flat earth answer that the sun is a spotlight? That covers angles a bit, but I'm still not sure of the flat earth answer for sunrises. A spotlight wouldn't hit the horizon, it would fade somewhere in the sky.

Just so. The sun would appear to get larger and smaller as it moved towards us and away, and at sunrise and sunset it would be pretty high in the sky when it suddenly popped into or out of view.

Daniel knows this. He knows the horse he's backing was ground up for frozen supermarket lasagne long, long ago. But it keeps him amused to pretend.
 
Gosh. If only we had some experimental data to test gravity


Begging The Question (Fallacy): 'gravity'.

Then...

"There is no model of the theory of gravitation today other than the mathematical form."
Richard Feynman (Nobel Prize Physics), The Character of the Physical Law. Page 39
people.virginia.edu/~ecd3m/1110/Fall2014/The_Character_of_Physical_Law.pdf

:confused: Wait...What, Huh? Richard Richard Richard... a Mathematical -- "Scientific Theory", eh? This is tantamount to having a "theory" of Married Bachelors!! If anyone needs me to explain "why", you have more "pressing issues" than Flat Earth or 'gravity'.
Richard should've turned in that Nobel and headed back to and passed 5th Grade General Science! :thumbsup:


Oh look. We did.


:boggled: Errr, WHERE....?


Why do objects accellerate at 9.8 meters per second squared give or take some air resistance?


So Helium, Hydrogen, and Feathers 'accelerate' @ 9.8 meters per second2, eh? :boggled:


Let's start with something easier: How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop; True or False ??


oy vey
 
I type the words "give or take air resistance"
Daniel quotes those words.
Daniel gives examples that forget to factor in air resistance...
 

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