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Why not admit that Hubble is lost and gone ?

Daniel said:
Oh my sir, you can't recover.

No I don't 'deny' it, I DISEMBOWELED IT --- EMPIRICALLY!! :thumbsup:




1. "Model"?? :cool: ...

"The word model is reserved for situations when it is known that the hypothesis has at least limited validity."
teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/appendixe/appendixe.html

"A model is used for situations when it is known that the hypothesis has a limitation on its validity."
physics.about.com/od/physics101thebasics/a/hypothesis.htm


2. "Newtonian"?? :cool: ...

"First I want to tell you what goes wrong with Newtonian Mechanics...the double-slit experiment is a problem; that's what put's the Nail in the Coffin for Newtonian Physics."
Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale.
Quantum Mechanics II: (3:18 minute mark)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHoHv05_Wo

"Alright So, today we're gonna shoot down Newtonian Mechanics and Maxwell's Theory. We're like the Press, we build somebody up only to destroy them".
Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale.
Quantum Mechanics I: The key experiments and wave-particle duality. (2:00 minute mark.)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2eFv7ne_Q

Are you a "Science" Denier??



:boggled:


Yea, it sure looks like it. :rolleyes:100000----->





lol lol lol lol a disheveled drunk can understand this: Fg = "G" m1M2/r2
This is tantamount to saying "m" doesn't affect the Balance of this equation: E = mc2!! :jaw-dropp

Take the next 3 days off...then quit. mmm K ?


goodbye
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Foster Zygote said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain why an observer on the equator during an equinox sees the sun at a heading of 90° instead of 45°.
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Heck, I am waiting for an explanation why sat dishes are pointed straight up in equatorial regions. None will be forthcoming. Best danno can do is claim childrens party balloons.

Seriously, that is the best he can do.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain why an observer on the equator during an equinox sees the sun at a heading of 90° instead of 45°.
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Heck, I am waiting for an explanation why sat dishes are pointed straight up in equatorial regions. None will be forthcoming. Best danno can do is claim childrens party balloons.

Seriously, that is the best he can do.
 
I know that the mods continually say that you can't ban people for posting things you disagree with, but can we add a rule that if you post unintelligible gibberish over and over, that is in violation of the "spamming" rule?
 
JoeBentley said:
I'm almost at the point that I wish smart people had never invented the concept of a an argumentative fallacy. There's too many people out there with only a bastardized surface level misunderstanding of them that think just screaming them is an argument.
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threadworm said:
I think there is a knee jerk tendency on all sides to fall back on these to the point where they become an argumentative fallacy in themselves - all you have to do is identify which fallacy you think a statement has fallen foul of rather than actually address the argument itself.
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And sadly I think this is one area where skeptics/rationalist made their own monster by being so lazy about just calling bad argument "So and So Logical Fallacy" and dropping the mike. I think Woo Slingers got so used to hearing "You used this or that fallacy" without proper context they don't understand what they actually mean, they just think they are things you call arguments you don't agree with and sadder yet... at this point as often as not that's all they are even from the skeptical/rational side.

"Strawman" does not mean "You made my argument look bad." (This is one is so damn universal now it's practically the defacto real definition at this point.)

"Poisoning the Well" does not mean you brought up any outside context that works as evidence against my argument.

"The Slippery Slope" does mean "You took my argument to a conclusion I disagree with."

"Personal Attack" is just that, a personal attack not the bringing up or acknowledgement of any potential personal bias or conflict of interest or factor.
 
Tomtomkent said:
I type the words "give or take air resistance"
Daniel quotes those words.
Daniel gives examples that forget to factor in air resistance...
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Reading this and other Daniel threads it wouldn't suprise me if he doesn't believe in air resistance either.
 
Daniel said:
2. "Newtonian"?? :cool: ...

"First I want to tell you what goes wrong with Newtonian Mechanics...the double-slit experiment is a problem; that's what put's the Nail in the Coffin for Newtonian Physics."
Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale.
Quantum Mechanics II: (3:18 minute mark)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHoHv05_Wo

"Alright So, today we're gonna shoot down Newtonian Mechanics and Maxwell's Theory. We're like the Press, we build somebody up only to destroy them".
Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale.
Quantum Mechanics I: The key experiments and wave-particle duality. (2:00 minute mark.)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2eFv7ne_Q

Are you a "Science" Denier??
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I highlighted the words important to the context of those quotes.

Are you suggesting that the Earth is small enough to be subject to Quantum rather than Newtonian physics? Or did you just quote an expert in an unrelated field because you don't understand why Newtonian principles don't apply on a quantum scale?

Your man is quite right. A Newtonian model is a poor fit for something smaller than an electron.

You may have noticed the planet you stand on is quite a bit bigger than an electron.

But by all means, try and apply quantum rules to planets. Show me a planet existing as both a single physical particle, and as a waveform... then I will consider a quantum model viable for a planet.

So, just to recap:
You keep skipping over the first principle.
You ignore the words you QUOTE ME SAYING to fail to understand air resistance.
You have no idea that many universities, colleges, and even good secondary schools have the equipment to prove any body with mass has a gravitational influence.

And now you don't understand why Newtonian models have to be shot down for QUANTUM theories.

Daniel. If you are going to make a big deal about proving science wrong, it might help if you learned what science actually says, so you know what to prove wrong.

Just saying...
 
The argument I like best so far is "Why has nobody taken photos of the view 'over the edge'", or however it was phrased. I can see tour companies falling over themselves to organise treks and cruises to 'The Edge of The World' :)

"What was the best adventure holiday you ever had? "

"Oh, where I lost my footing at The Edge of The World but my buddy grabbed my wrist and hauled me back, like Sam and Frodo in Lord of The Rings"

Actually, if you did fall off wouldn't you move sideways to where the gravity is? In other words, you couldn't fall off? Maybe this is why we still have the water and stuff. But then if you stood on ice right at the edge, wouldn't you slide sideways towards the centre? Sounds like a fun place.
 
GlennB said:
The argument I like best so far is "Why has nobody taken photos of the view 'over the edge'", or however it was phrased. I can see tour companies falling over themselves to organise treks and cruises to 'The Edge of The World' :)

"What was the best adventure holiday you ever had? "

"Oh, where I lost my footing at The Edge of The World but my buddy grabbed my wrist and hauled me back, like Sam and Frodo in Lord of The Rings"

Actually, if you did fall off wouldn't you move sideways to where the gravity is? In other words, you couldn't fall off? Maybe this is why we still have the water and stuff. But then if you stood on ice right at the edge, wouldn't you slide sideways towards the centre? Sounds like a fun place.
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No, gravity doesn't exist. The flat earth is accelerating upwards at 9.81m/s/s and has been doing so for the past 6000 years.
 
alexi_drago said:
No, gravity doesn't exist. The flat earth is accelerating upwards at 9.81m/s/s and has been doing so for the past 6000 years.
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Ah, it becomes clearer, thanks. One of the FSM's poorer plans then?
 
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