Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

[Hans]

Oh my this is some stack of crazy!

Hey Daniel in your flat earth belief where and how does the Moon fit into this? In your world where is it, how far away is it and how big is it?

 

[Daniel]

Well gee, you didn't say anything about "Military Acumen" when you just dismissed it with "From the Comments??

Yes because anyone with ground squirrel level awareness knows Prima Facia that anonymous posters on U Tube Videos aren't exactly the Pinnacle of Intellectual Aristocracy.

Perhaps if that is what you're getting at then you should say so. How do you know those commenting don'e have some "type of Military Acumen"?

oh brother.

The guy gives the name Robert on the video. Yet you say he is Sean McCrary.

Yes, @ the time the video was made he wanted to keep his identity concealed so as to prevent any 'Blow Back' from anyone that caught wind and told his superiors. He has since relinquished any of those concerns

I'm retired military as well and he sounds full of it.

1. Really...what Branch?

2. Generalized Sweeping Baseless Hand-Wave Dismissal 'bare' Assertion Fallacy.
How so...?

Further I worked with air to air, air to ground, and ground to air RADAR and found in all cases that range depended on altitude of the emitter

Well yea, duh. You don't need any Military Acumen to figure that out.

and at farther distances low altitude coverage would be lost due to the curve of the Earth.

Sure. Your attention to Excruciating Detail is OCD like.

What are you gonna do with this...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jML1pH0CX0 (Air Traffic Controller and Flight Instructor)

I relayed it. Still not my words. and you've done nothing so far to show their opinion is wrong.

So, I've not done anything to show an Anonymous U-Tube Poster's Ambiguous Generalized Ipse Dixit Claims wrong eh? Goodness gracious.

if the world is flat, then how do stars rotate around the Southern celestial pole when all those looking South would be looking in a different direction?How does the sun rise due East for all observer on the equinoxes when it should be off in the North East? How does the Sun light clouds from underneath during sunrises and sunsets? How does Antarctica get days with 24 hours of sun?

1. A Baker's Dozen of Begging The Question Fallacies. First, Refute my Validated arguments, here: www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11364725&postcount=191

2. You have to base then SUPPORT each of your claims in "Actual" SCIENCE...

Andreas Osiander; Foreward: "On the Revolution of Heavenly Spheres"; Nicolas Copernicus...

"So far as hypotheses are concerned, let no one expect anything certain from astronomy, which cannot furnish it, lest he accept as the truth ideas conceived for another purpose, and depart from this study a greater fool than when he entered it."
hti.osu.edu/sites/hti.osu.edu/files/ossiander_foreword_to_copernicus.pdf

Confirmed in a BIG WAY, here:

Renowned cosmologist George Francis Rayner Ellis...

‘People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations … For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. … You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.'
Gibbs, W. Wayt, 1995. Profile: George F.R. Ellis; Thinking Globally, Acting Universally. Scientific American 273(4):28, 29 (See also Hawking S., Ellis GFR: The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time.)

**** That underlined part is MASSIVE and Speaks Encyclopedic Volumes to Cosmology (astronomy/astrophysics) in General and the fiasco of the LIE we're dealing with specifically, here.

Welcome to "Philosophy" , only these 'orators' have calculators.

Please stick with "Actual Science", mmm K?



regards

 

[Daniel]

Oh my this is some stack of crazy!

I agree, this "Spinning Ball" absurdity is beyond comprehension.

Hey Daniel in your flat earth belief

Sorry, I don't do 'beliefs'.

...where and how does the Moon fit into this? In your world where is it, how far away is it and how big is it?

Sure, No Problem. Right after you reconcile:

1. Entropy (Vacuum/Non-Vacuum in the same system )
2. Coriolis Force/Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

Here: www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11364725&postcount=191


regards

 

[frenat]

Yes, @ the time the video was made he wanted to keep his identity concealed so as to prevent any 'Blow Back' from anyone that caught wind and told his superiors. He has since relinquished any of those concerns

So you say. Why should we believe you? The source you gave shows otherwise.

1. Really...what Branch?

According to you, "Being retired Military...I can smell a GI from 50 'clicks' !!" why don't you know already?

2. Generalized Sweeping Baseless Hand-Wave Dismissal 'bare' Assertion Fallacy.
How so...?

How is it any different from you claiming he was real based only on "Being retired Military...I can smell a GI from 50 'clicks' !!". you can use fallacies but nobody else can?

Well yea, duh. You don't need any Military Acumen to figure that out.

I'm glad you agree, because that fact is dues to the curve of the Earth.

Sure. Your attention to Excruciating Detail is OCD like.

translation: I can't refute that.

What are you gonna do with this...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jML1pH0CX0 (Air Traffic Controller and Flight Instructor)

Gee, yet another anonymous person that offers nothing to back up their claims.

So, I've not done anything to show an Anonymous U-Tube Poster's Ambiguous Generalized Ipse Dixit Claims wrong eh? Goodness gracious.

translation: I can't prove the guy is real or was really in the military so I'll attack the comments instead

1. A Baker's Dozen of Begging The Question Fallacies. First, Refute my Validated arguments, here: www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11364725&postcount=191

2. You have to base then SUPPORT each of your claims in "Actual" SCIENCE...

Andreas Osiander; Foreward: "On the Revolution of Heavenly Spheres"; Nicolas Copernicus...

"So far as hypotheses are concerned, let no one expect anything certain from astronomy, which cannot furnish it, lest he accept as the truth ideas conceived for another purpose, and depart from this study a greater fool than when he entered it."
hti.osu.edu/sites/hti.osu.edu/files/ossiander_foreword_to_copernicus.pdf

Confirmed in a BIG WAY, here:

Renowned cosmologist George Francis Rayner Ellis...

‘People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations … For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. … You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.'
Gibbs, W. Wayt, 1995. Profile: George F.R. Ellis; Thinking Globally, Acting Universally. Scientific American 273(4):28, 29 (See also Hawking S., Ellis GFR: The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time.)

**** That underlined part is MASSIVE and Speaks Encyclopedic Volumes to Cosmology (astronomy/astrophysics) in General and the fiasco of the LIE we're dealing with specifically, here.

Welcome to "Philosophy" , only these 'orators' have calculators.

Please stick with "Actual Science", mmm K?



regards

translation: Crap, I just ignored those before, let's see if I can again. Maybe if I spread some BS around people will forget I couldn't answer them?

 

[Daniel]

Why should I bother with this when I can go to the seaside, and see that my horizon is closer when I am lower down?

So, this motif , eh?

I have also been to the Southern Hemisphere and seen completely different constellations to what I see at home.

Straw Man Fallacy. And so.....?

I have routine teleconferences with colleagues in different parts of the world and they all say that the time in their locale is the same as google says it should be.

Straw Man Fallacy. And so...?

I am only posting this because I am somewhat mystified as to why you have managed to avoid so many obvious cues.

Like what.....? Air attached to the ground (rotflol)

I'm not so mystified concerning the Child-Like Diversions away from the 3 OBVIOUS Elephants in the Room...

1. Entropy (Vacuum/Non-Vacuum in the same system )
2. Coriolis Force/Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

Unless you are just trolling about this and about Evolution?

evolution?? The 1860's called... they want their argument back.

I've pummeled that Nonsensical Buffoonery into Oblivion on this forum. Heck, a semi-aware clumsy 6 year old could in their sleep.


oy vey

 

[Nakani]

Friction, eh? SUPPORT...?

Damb Daniel, back at it again.

Begging The Question; please Validate the Ground is moving...?

Google the Coriolis Effect or Foucault pendulum.

2. Then why are there different wind speeds @ different Elevations: www.intechopen.com/books/wind-farm-technical-regulations-potential-estimation-and-siting-%20assessment/methodologies-used-in-the-extrapolation-of-wind-speed-data-at-different-heights-and-its-impact-in-th ...

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Wind speed is a reflection of the air pressure gradients. Air moves from high pressure areas to low pressure areas, and the greater the difference, the greater the winds.

Aside from pressure gradients, there are two additional factors that influence wind speed in the atmosphere. First, you must consider the density of the air. Density and velocity are inversely related. As density decreases, velocity increases. Imagine trying to push a box car full of coal - it would be difficult. The coal is very dense, and a lot of effort would be required. Now imagine pushing a box car full of cotton candy. Even though the volumes are the same, the cotton candy, being less dense than the coal, will be easier to push. Now relate this to the air. Since the air is less dense at higher altitudes, it is easier to push, which means that wind speeds increase.

Second, you must consider friction. If you are standing in an open area with few trees or buildings around (low friction), will the wind have the opportunity to generate a strong force? How about if you are standing in the middle of a forest? Friction will slow the wind.

LOL, do you? So airplanes don't need momentum to stay aloft, eh?

oy vey

Acting obtuse is your best argument?

 

[Blue Mountain]

Daniel, with regard to a flat earth, does it have a motion relative to its centre (rotation) or relative to the sun (revolution)?

 

[Daniel]

Until such time as someone can post a "Semi"-Coherent response to any of the 3 Proofs...

1. Entropy (Vacuum/Non-Vacuum in the same system )
2. Coriolis Force/Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

Here: www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11364725&postcount=191

in lieu of nonsensical fallacies and gibberish, I will not respond.


regards

 

[MRC_Hans]

1. Entropy (Vacuum/Non-Vacuum in the same system )

I will discuss one item with you at a time, if you will.

As for the item above:

How does water stay in lakes and oceans? Why isn't it all over the place?

(Rain is another discussion.)

Hans

 

[bruto]

Until such time as someone can post a "Semi"-Coherent response to any of the 3 Proofs...

1. Entropy (Vacuum/Non-Vacuum in the same system )
2. Coriolis Force/Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

Here: www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11364725&postcount=191

in lieu of nonsensical fallacies and gibberish, I will not respond.


regards

While you're taking a vacation from this thread, you could start with a little vocabulary brushup unless the irony is intentional.

 

[Daniel]

Air moves from high pressure areas to low pressure areas

Really?? LOL, then...

Sea Level = 760 Torr

> 105,000 Feet (32 km) turbojets no longer function ≈ 8 Torr
> 264,000 Feet (80.5 km) = U.S. definition of space flight ≈ 10^-3 Torr.
www.orbitec.c...m_Reference.pdf

Low Earth Orbit (300km/186 miles)) Pressure = 10^-9 Torr:
www.newworlde...rg/entry/Vacuum

Moon Pressure = 10^-12 Torr:
www.airspacem...-692321/?no-ist

Interstellar/Deep Space ≈ 10^-17 Torr.
www.orbitec.c...m_Reference.pdf

So ya ready??...

If there is no physical barrier between Earth's Atmosphere and Space, which there isn't...

"There's no clear boundary between Earth's atmosphere and space, says Dr Kevin Pimbblet, lecturer in astrophysics at the University of Queensland."
www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/01/13/2791372.htm

"There is no definite boundary between the atmosphere and outer space."
www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/link-suggestion/wpcd_2008-09_augmented/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

"Some experts believe a definition of the boundary of space is impossible to create. Hans Haubold, senior program office at the UN Office for Outer Space Affairs (OOSA), noted that the atmosphere is too “fuzzy for a physics-based definition to ever be established” (Kois 2004)."
commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1052&context=stm


Ergo...

How can you have a Vacuum (Space) attached to a Non-Vacuum (Earth) and still retain the Properties of a Vacuum and a Non-Vacuum in the same system, simultaneously....?

Can you explain this in a Law of Entropy context?

If there's a "Non Perfect" Vacuum surrounding the Earth's Atmospheric layers as we are 'TOLD', then there should be a colossal cascading chain of envelopment from the Exosphere to Thermosphere to Mesosphere down to your feet like dominoes faster than you can say "ENTROPY" until equilibrium is reached. Hard Stop!

So @ a minimum, How are you still breathing...?

Absolutely PRICELESS Thanks.

Acting obtuse is your best argument?

No actually (as illustrated above), using your SELF-Contradictions is working just fine for now


Thanks again

 

[Daniel]

I will discuss one item with you at a time, if you will.

As for the item above:

How does water stay in lakes and oceans? Why isn't it all over the place?

Well water "Fluids" always conform to their container. duh

What's next, why do rocks sink in water?


regards

 

[Hans]

I agree, this "Spinning Ball" absurdity is beyond comprehension.

Sure, No Problem. Right after you reconcile:

1. Entropy (Vacuum/Non-Vacuum in the same system )
2. Coriolis Force/Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

Er why I asked YOU a question - is it too hard or do you just concede the point?

 

[Andy_Ross]

I gave you direct links and examples fom military sources includinga link to the US Marines Artillery Manual and one if the standard reference eorks on Artillery Ballistics.
You ignore them all in favour of a random nut on Youtube?

 

[jimbob]

I gave you direct links and examples fom military sources includinga link to the US Marines Artillery Manual and one if the standard reference eorks on Artillery Ballistics.
You ignore them all in favour of a random nut on Youtube?

You (and to be fair I) am arguing with someone who claims that the world is flat and you are expecting reason?

 

[Nakani]

The proverbial pigeon playing chess.

 

[threadworm]

Well water "Fluids" always conform to their container. duh

What's next, why do rocks sink in water?

What's next is how you explain the atmosphere not pouring over the edge in FE BS.

Experimental proof required.

 

[Daniel]

Er why I asked YOU a question - is it too hard or do you just concede the point?

Concede what point?? You don't have a Point

regards

 

[Daniel]

I gave you direct links and examples fom military sources includinga link to the US Marines Artillery Manual and one if the standard reference eorks on Artillery Ballistics.
You ignore them all in favour of a random nut on Youtube?

1. Yes. Well as I said, I'm Retired Military and that I TRAINED WITH SNIPERS and made shots personally @ 1500 Meters....which should IMMEDIATELY bring "Coriolis" into account, it doesn't and NEVER WILL.

2. Just posting "links" and not speaking to issues strains credulity well past critical mass and is a "Banning" offense on "Actual Science" forums.

3. ad hominem (Fallacy): "nut".

4. It's one thing to have something "STATED" in a Manual...it's a completely different situation to actually "USE" it.

5. YouTube is merely a "Medium" professor.


regards

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If I'm making a north-south shot @ 1,000 meters on a Calm Day with a Muzzle Velocity of 1,000 m/s ...with the Earth allegedly "Spinning" @ 1,000 mph ( 447 m/s ) from west to east beneath the bullet ( "Slipping Out" of that Reference Frame when Fired ), then my windage adjustment should be 447 meters to the east of center mass of the target.

Well, that's a novel twist on Newton's first law. Can you explain how you arrived at that answer? Tell us more about this 'slipping out' effect, please.