Fair enough. Corbyn must now fall on his sword.
Corbyn's days (very) numbered?
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Fair enough. Corbyn must now fall on his sword.
I think it's the crisis in the Tory Party that has enabled this. They can do it at no political cost, because Cameron in no position to exploit this turmoil, having plenty of his own distracting him; including his personal resignation following displays of disloyalty by cabinet members.
Britain could do with some united responsible political opposition right now - and if the Labour party did that it could only enhance their prospects in a forthcoming General Election. The Labour MPs apparently prefer to engage in a comedy pie-throwing competition at this time.
angrysoba
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The golfer?
Seriously I don't know who Tom Watson is.
He of Paedogeddon fame.
He was coming down from Glastonbury when the mass exodus was starting up:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...o-crisis-deputy-leader-tom-watson-parties-at/
A number people have said that we need a centrist pro-Europe party for those unhappy about Brexit to coalesce around* - I thought the LibDems were already that party or has their membership of the coalition left them too damaged ?
* - I don't personally thing this would work. The Remain campaign is just as disparate and heterogeneous as the Leave campaign..
* - I don't personally thing this would work. The Remain campaign is just as disparate and heterogeneous as the Leave campaign..
Francesca R
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I think so. The Lib Dems were cremated for going into coalition with the Tories and thus being Tory Lite. The result was that in 2015 the government reverted to Tory Fat instead.
There is nobody at the wheel.
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I think your last comment is quite telling because in some ways its the OUT problem in reverse in that there was no moderate party with leaving the EU as a policy because views on the EU didn't align with traditional party lines.
In theory Labour Lib Dem and even Tory should all stand at the next election on a ticket of rejoining the EU if that's what they genuinely believe is the right thing to do. But they obviously can't and won't.
The Lib Dems are shot. Labour is more or less in it's death pangs and the Tories will remain split on Europe even if they pretend not to be for the sake of votes.
Of course now we are out*, rejoining is a different prospect which could well mean joining the Eurozone. Is anyone going to propose that? Not in short measure I think. That movement is going to have to grow from new roots not the existing party structures and take time to gain traction.
*I regard the idea of not resigning as too dishonest to even contemplate
Why would the European stance of any political party be of interest now? That fox is shot. Those saying that the Tories will be forever torn apart by this baffle me utterly. The Tories are the only party which will emerge intact (even strengthened in the medium term) from this situation: they now don't have anything to argue about amongst themselves. We may as well worry about what Labour's stance on the Boer War is as what their (or their replacement's) policy is on the EU.
I completely agree though that we need a credible left of centre opposition party ASAP. Labour have a short while to turn themselves into this party, or else they'll be discussing how to get more votes than the Greens at the next election.
From an in/out perspective it's of no further interest BUT it may inform people of the nature of the deal that the party may want to seek for the future relationship between the UK and the EU.
I am amazed at Angela Eagle's resignation; ISTR she was on telly in the last couple of days supporting Corbyn.
Any government, even the unholy mess we have at the moment, needs an effective opposition so Labour need to sort themselves out quicksmart or watch their supporters split off to other parties such as the Greens.
Guybrush Threepwood
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Really? you are aware that the EU is still there, and still Britain's largest political and trading neighbour? Voting Brexit didn't make it go away.
angrysoba
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Oh my God who the **** is that?
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I'll put it this way. Homestuck and Asbestos mines are less toxic than the lib dems for voters.
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So how many are left in Corbyn's cabinet? He must have lost 2/3rds of them by now.
Yes, thank you, as it happens I was aware of that. Are you aware that the question of Britain's membership of the EU is now settled?
If yes, can you suggest why any political party would therefore have a policy on said membership? If no, do you understand the concept of democracy?
About 20 out of 27 have gone, but he's brought in a few big names (that no-one has ever heard of) as replacements.
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angrysoba
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There's the small matter of what kind of deal the Tories will negotiate with the EU.
Once they end up having to accept half the things the Leavers thought they would be rid of, they will quickly lose any popularity they may have had.
I think each of the main parties is now racing each other to the bottom of the favourability rankings.