If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. Part II

That whole "Let's look at WTC7 and nothing else...We are demanding a new investigation because there has not been a thorough one to begin with" post struck me when I first read it as a perfect example of CT methodology, and why, in 15 years, it's gone nowhere but in self-feeding circles. You can't demand a thorough investigation into a whole day's events, and simultaneously proclaim that an answer lies in one small part of it. FF, like most CTists, is demanding that a whole event be explained in the context of an anomaly, rather than that the anomaly be explained in the context of the whole event- that's about an anti-consilient approach as is possible (and this is even aside from the fact that what's posed as an anomaly almost always turns out to be just a gap between their misinformed expectations of reality and actual reality).

Agreed.

My "innocent bystander" analogy is to a gang or robbers who've robbed a bank.

The guys robbed the bank, shot & killed a bunch of people in the process.

The cops have identified the robbers. They had a long history of robbing banks. The cops have found an enormous amount of evidence of their planning the robbery, of executing the robbery, and have video of some of them entering the building. Others went in thru the "Logan" entrance, which didn't have any Video surveillance.

The cops have recordings of them talking to the hostages that they took, who were all killed in the fiery crash that ended the getaway.

During their attempted getaway, ran down some innocent bystander who happened to be "in the wrong place at the wrong time".

Later, the leader of the gang, who was not at the robbery, ultimately acknowledged that he had financed & approved the robbery, after first denying it.

The DNA of the robbers was found in the wreckage.

etc. etc. etc. (You get the idea of the analogy.)

And the ONLY thing that these clowns want to talk about ... is the run-down bystander.

"Who was she?"
"What was she doing crossing the street at just that moment?"
"She was on an errand, you say? WHO asked her to go on that errand?"
"Why did they want her crossing the street at just the same moment that the robbers were making their getaway?"
"No person, in all history, has ever been hit by a car full of fleeing bank robbers, in that particular cross walk.!"
"Other people have been hit by cars before & not died."

etc.

It's a bad joke.
But it's all that they have.

He's right, though, in a way, when he says he has no conspiracy theory, in the sense that he has no theory at all. And this is by CTist design- after all, if they had more to present than their mere opinion that the "official story is BS" in place of an actual coherent theory as to what happened, then they'd have something to test. And they know nothing they can present could withstand the sort of test (or investigation) they demand of the "official story"- it would be all anomaly.

I think it's worse than that. They've actually learned a lesson.

Early on, some Truthers did attempt to put forth various theories.
They were so incredibly ludicrous (nukes, disintegration rays, etc.) that their rampant cluelessness & occasional insanity was on display for everyone to see.

So they learned.
They learned to never offer ANY explanation for anything.

That way, they don't expose their ignorance.
 
MHM, this number is much higher than I'd seen previously.
Can you give me a reference, please.

I saw the number on the NIST website. If I remember correctly it said over 21,000 professional worked on NIST report directly. However, I will admit that I have been unable to find that reference again, on their website.
 
No, it was not.
Free fall is a CONSTANT acceleration.

Let me get this straight.

NIST is comprised of thousands of experts, but that does not matter when you don't like what they say. So, if I make a point you don't like, you say NIST has experts. If NIST says something you don't like, you ignore that and then come up with your own BS.

Got it.

Excuse me while I LOL at the absurdity of your logic and severity of denial.
 
I saw the number on the NIST website. If I remember correctly it said over 21,000 professional worked on NIST report directly. However, I will admit that I have been unable to find that reference again, on their website.

21000 professionals that say freefall occurred for 2.25 seconds.
 
The basis for your demands have been heard.
Nonsense. NIST has not explained freefall. They have not released the data they used for their computer model, and their hypothesis has "an extremely low probability of occurrence."

Our demands have not been addressed.
 
Nonsense. NIST has not explained freefall. They have not released the data they used for their computer model, and their hypothesis has "an extremely low probability of occurrence."

Our demands have not been addressed.

He did not say your demands were met, he said they were heard.
Yes, they were addressed and found wanting. The demand for instance, that free fall be 'explained', lacks any connection to the oft outlined task that NIST was given.

You can find that at nist.gov.
 
Nonsense. NIST has not explained freefall. They have not released the data they used for their computer model, and their hypothesis has "an extremely low probability of occurrence."

Our demands have not been addressed.

Drop a rock, free fall explained.
 
He did not say your demands were met, he said they were heard.
Yes, they were addressed and found wanting. The demand for instance, that free fall be 'explained', lacks any connection to the oft outlined task that NIST was given.

You can find that at nist.gov.

This argument is a joke.

What you're saying is that NIST was only supposed to find out why WTC7 collapsed from fire. Because they gave their explanation, they don't have to do anything else. This is the essence of your argument.

Let me LOL a minute and catch my breath.

A new investigation needs to explain why WTC collapsed the way it did. That is what it needs to determine. Stop playing the semantic game.
 
Right back at you:


You seemed well-versed in looney tunes. Are you sure you don't want to blame him for 9/11?

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You seemed well-versed in looney tunes. Are you sure you don't want to blame him for 9/11?

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Why would I blame people with no proof? I'm not paranoid and delusional.
 
I see.
You say repeatedly that it was NIST'S job to explain free fall. It's pointed out to that was not the case, and you cry " politics" , instead of admitting you were wrong.

No. The video does not "cry politics". The video is about dodging questions and saying nonsensical things. In other words, it's about skeptics.
 

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