If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. Part II

FalseFlag said:
I think this is a good time to post my challenge from the very first post in the very first thread on this subject.



There have been over 4000 posts since this first one and I am still waiting.

:D
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You already know he is wrong you admitted energy values matter in experiments, after I proposed my two hammers experiment.
You admitted energy values change physical properties of the experiments!
You and Cole lose the argument.
 
Here's a question that's been rolling around in my mind since I started reading this thread. It's for the experts to answer if you please.
For the record I am not an engineer nor a physicist and I am not involved in research. My forte is business software specifically accounting and asset management.
Mr Cole performed one experiment that did not match the observed movement if I understand correctly. Then he declared the "official story" wrong and a new investigation is needed.
My question is why did he not perform more experiments trying to match the observed movement to see what is needed to create the movement? It's a technique used by the Mythbusters all the time. I know they are tv stars but they do try to follow the scientific method as much as possible.
It seems to this non expert mind that performing just one experiment and declaring it a final conclusion is very amateurish.

Thanks in advance to any experts who reply.
 
FalseFlag said:
I have the first question, and it involves scale.
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Waste of time. You should have asked him how an independent investigation with subpoena, immunity, and punitive powers could possibly happen.

Him being an expert, and all, and the lack of an answer to that question being an utterly insurmountable impediment to the investigation you claim to desire.
 
Myriad said:
Waste of time. You should have asked him how an independent investigation with subpoena, immunity, and punitive powers could possibly happen.

Him being an expert, and all, and the lack of an answer to that question being an utterly insurmountable impediment to the investigation you claim to desire.
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Anyone could ask a question. Why didn't you ask him? Or, why didn't you ask someone here to ask him if you couldn't watch the webinar?
 
FalseFlag said:
Anyone could ask a question. Why didn't you ask him? Or, why didn't you ask someone here to ask him if you couldn't watch the webinar?
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Because I don't care whether there's a new investigation or not.

Why didn't you ask him? Same reason?
 
rwguinn said:
Still unobtainable.
The weldment material may have a million psi MODULUS, but somebody has mixed Young's Modulus with strength.
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Young's Modulus is used to determine the value for the maxwell equation, and you are correct, a 1 million PSI weld can be broken by as little as 2600 LBS dropped 12 feet.

In other words a 1million PSI weld is only good for 100,000 PSI strength.
 
gmanontario said:
Here's a question that's been rolling around in my mind since I started reading this thread. It's for the experts to answer if you please.
For the record I am not an engineer nor a physicist and I am not involved in research. My forte is business software specifically accounting and asset management.
Mr Cole performed one experiment that did not match the observed movement if I understand correctly. Then he declared the "official story" wrong and a new investigation is needed.
My question is why did he not perform more experiments trying to match the observed movement to see what is needed to create the movement? It's a technique used by the Mythbusters all the time. I know they are tv stars but they do try to follow the scientific method as much as possible.
It seems to this non expert mind that performing just one experiment and declaring it a final conclusion is very amateurish.

Thanks in advance to any experts who reply.
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Unless the energy values are duplicated the motion though resistance can not be duplicated.
Cole is a film flam agent a con artist, he has no intention of doing any actual science, that would show he is a fraud.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Young's Modulus is used to determine the value for the maxwell equation, and you are correct, a 1 million PSI weld can be broken by as little as 2600 LBS dropped 12 feet.

In other words a 1million PSI weld is only good for 100,000 PSI strength.
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Not even that.
A36 steel, which is commonly used in buildings, has a yield strength of 36ksi, or 36000 psi, and ultimate strength of no more than 80ksi (that's 250mPa and 550mPa)

And weld strengths are always less than the parent material.
Stress=F/A tension or shear, or Mc/I for bending
 
rwguinn said:
Not even that.
A36 steel, which is commonly used in buildings, has a yield strength of 36ksi, or 36000 psi, and ultimate strength of no more than 80ksi (that's 250mPa and 550mPa)

And weld strengths are always less than the parent material.
Stress=F/A tension or shear, or Mc/I for bending
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I was going by the information provided By David B. Benson, with a yield strength that low, what held the buildings up?
 
Wow, when answering the second question Cole implicitly admits he staged his experiments in such a way as for them not to accelerate.

Because he explicitly admits that with greater separation, the weight would accelerate rather than decelerate.

He then throws a red herring about bigger weight (irrelevant, that was not the question) and the issue of deflection (irrelevant, as it doesn't change when the distance between planks is increased). But he has already admitted that a bigger distance will result in a different outcome.

That's an admission that scale matters.
 
pgimeno said:
Wow, when answering the second question Cole implicitly admits he staged his experiments in such a way as for them not to accelerate.

Because he explicitly admits that with greater separation, the weight would accelerate rather than decelerate.

He then throws a red herring about bigger weight (irrelevant, that was not the question) and the issue of deflection (irrelevant, as it doesn't change when the distance between planks is increased). But he has already admitted that a bigger distance will result in a different outcome.

That's an admission that scale matters.
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Yes because increasing the distance between impacts increases the energy from gravity applied to do the work.
Energy values being the key to duplication of the motions.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I was going by the information provided By David B. Benson, with a yield strength that low, what held the buildings up?
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I gave you tensile. Compressive strength is only 22000 psi
Lots of area. 10 square inches of cross sectional area will hold 220,00 up pounds before yield in compression, or you could hang 360,000 pounds from it.
There were a LOT of square inches in those columns and beams...
 
rwguinn said:
Not even that.
A36 steel, which is commonly used in buildings, has a yield strength of 36ksi, or 36000 psi, and ultimate strength of no more than 80ksi (that's 250mPa and 550mPa)

And weld strengths are always less than the parent material.
Stress=F/A tension or shear, or Mc/I for bending
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I also want to state for the record I am not an engineer like Cole, just a crazy person
Who experimented with welds and A325 bolts and found that they break and structures
Fall apart rapidly when they do.

I am all the Time rewelding equipment and replacing bolts trying to hold stuff together you tend to break stuff when you drive bulldozers off a cliff.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Yes because increasing the distance between impacts increases the energy from gravity applied to do the work.
Energy values being the key to duplication of the motions.
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I know, and I noted it upthread. But it's good to see Cole admitting it.
 
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