Continuation Part 20: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

Stabbing MK in the throat then strangling her is a better option than stabbing her and running away?

Oh.

A female perp, or at least one with feminine sized hands, had already tried to strangle Mez, through the stab wound.

I suspect you don't understand what a tourniquet is:

"A tourniquet is a constricting or compressing device, specifically a bandage, used to control venous and arterial circulation to an extremity for a period of time."

A tourniquet in this case is the towel pressed near the neck to staunch the bleeding. You do know whom Massei blamed for the mortal stab wound? It wasn't Rudy.

 

[bagels]

Do you seriously think police charge someone with theft with no evidence?

In Italy?

"Anything is possible" - Stefano Conti

 

[Vixen]

If you are the accountant you say you are then you would know that tallying her drawings will prove nothing about the theft of anything. Did she produce receipts for every purchase she made? Thought not.

I have worked in insolvency practice and I can assure you a Statement of Affairs can be constructed from incomplete records.

Fact is, Amanda was haemorrhaging money, leading to speculation she had a cocaine habit. (= police speculation, not mine.)

 

[bagels]

A female perp, or at least one with feminine sized hands, had already tried to strangle Mez, through the stab wound.

I suspect the ability to match a bruise to the gender of the attacker is another magical Italian forensic technique unique to this case until proven otherwise.

 

[Bill Williams]

I have worked in insolvency practice and I can assure you a Statement of Affairs can be constructed from incomplete records.

Fact is, Amanda was haemorraging money, leading to speculation she had a cocaine habit. (= police speculation, not mine.)

And based on that suspicion they tested her. They found nothing. Another Vixen factoid. But man oh man did it ever sound lurid, even if it amounted to nothing.

Being able to make the accusation is what really counts!

 

[Grinder]

I have worked in insolvency practice and I can assure you a Statement of Affairs can be constructed from incomplete records.

Fact is, Amanda was haemorraging money, leading to speculation she had a cocaine habit. (= police speculation, not mine.)

None of the above is valid. The police tested her and knew she had no such habit. Please prepare an Income Statement and Balance Sheet including her savings still in the US.
ETA - I thought she was trading sex for drugs. How did that work with her bank account?

 

[Vixen]

I ask for the record of communication between Amanda and Rudy to set up this tightly timed-criminal act, and THIS is your response? Let's leave aside the fact that your latest, ever changing theory of the crime is a "dinner gone-wrong", begun a full 5 minutes at the cottage after Raffaele's friend sees Amanda back at Raf's apartment door.....

You are saying that Amanda was "evasive" because she left out of her prison diary the very info you claim proves that Amanda and Rudy communicated?

I still believe that one day you're going to sit bolt-upright in the realization how dumb that sounds. Yet this blinding flash of the obvious so far has eluded you. That you think you've addressed anything is the weirdest thing - click back on the back-arrow to see the evolution of this little bit of back-and-forth.

Make sure you're not sitting under a very low ceiling, because if it is this which causes you to sit bolt-upright..... you get my meaning.

Do you really think drug dealers leave an audit trail? Surely, you don't naively believe this?

I was reading (randomly) about notorious sydnicate "Mr Big" drug smuggler - one of Britain's worst - Curt Warren. It's written by ex-cops. They reveal Warren changed his mobile phone virtually every day, so paranoid was he of leaving a trail.

Come and ask me again when you join the real world.

 

[Vixen]

None of the above is valid. The police tested her and knew she had no such habit. Please prepare an Income Statement and Balance Sheet including her savings still in the US.
ETA - I thought she was trading sex for drugs. How did that work with her bank account?

She was withdrawing substantial sums. Certainly more than the €300 rent and minor living expenses.

 

[bagels]

Vixen why don't you come off this lifetime movie of the week crap with the students and put that big mensa brain of yours to work helping us figure out what rudy was doing at the cottage for 30-40 minutes when he wasn't killing Meredith. It's a far more intriguing mystery than Mignini's and the police's incompetent fantasies.

 

[acbytesla]

A female perp, or at least one with feminine sized hands, had already tried to strangle Mez, through the stab wound.

I suspect you don't understand what a tourniquet is:
"A tourniquet is a constricting or compressing device, specifically a bandage, used to control venous and arterial circulation to an extremity for a period of time."

A tourniquet in this case is the towel pressed near the neck to staunch the bleeding. You do know whom Massei blamed for the mortal stab wound? It wasn't Rudy.

Apparently you don't. We are not this dumb

Why not quote the whole passage from Wikipedia.

A tourniquet is a constricting or compressing device, specifically a bandage, used to control venous and arterial circulation to an extremity for a period of time. Pressure is applied circumferentially upon the skin and underlying tissues of a limb; this pressure is transferred to the walls of vessels, causing them to become temporarily occluded. It is generally used as a tool for a medical professional in applications such as cannulation or to stem the flow of traumatic bleeding, especially by military medics. The tourniquet is usually applied when the patient is in a life-threatening state as a result of continuous bleeding.

Thank God, you became an accountant because you would make a horrible Doctor. Since when is your head and brain an extremity? Circumferentially? I've never heard of a tourniquet for someone's throat. ROFL.

I can just see you explaining it to the next of kin. "Well, the good news is we stopped the bleeding. The bad news is we cut off the blood flow to her brain so she died anyway."

 

[Grinder]

She was withdrawing substantial sums. Certainly more than the €300 rent and minor living expenses.

tested negative for drugs = didn't have drugs in system

what were her minor living expenses? did she pay tuition and buy books? did she eat in restaurants and drink at bars and clubs? did she buy train tickets? did she buy clothes?

you have no idea what the withdrawals were and what she spent money on.

 

[Bill Williams]

I ask for the record of communication between Amanda and Rudy to set up this tightly timed-criminal act, and THIS is your response? Let's leave aside the fact that your latest, ever changing theory of the crime is a "dinner gone-wrong", begun a full 5 minutes at the cottage after Raffaele's friend sees Amanda back at Raf's apartment door.....

You are saying that Amanda was "evasive" because she left out of her prison diary the very info you claim proves that Amanda and Rudy communicated?

I still believe that one day you're going to sit bolt-upright in the realization how dumb that sounds. Yet this blinding flash of the obvious so far has eluded you. That you think you've addressed anything is the weirdest thing - click back on the back-arrow to see the evolution of this little bit of back-and-forth.

Make sure you're not sitting under a very low ceiling, because if it is this which causes you to sit bolt-upright..... you get my meaning.

Do you really think drug dealers leave an audit trail? Surely, you don't naively believe this?

I was reading (randomly) about notorious sydnicate "Mr Big" drug smuggler - one of Britain's worst - Curt Warren. It's written by ex-cops. They reveal Warren changed his mobile phone virtually every day, so paranoid was he of leaving a trail.

Come and ask me again when you join the real world.

I'd be happy if you demonstrated ONE text, ONE phone call, or ONE anything. Even Judge Massei accepted it as factual that Rudy and Raffaele had never communicated for anything, so what is left is Rudy and Amanda.

And the communication would have to be quick. Your own timeline from above leaves five minutes for these drugged out marauders to rendezvous with Rudy and begin their, "dinner-game gone wrong," theory of yours.

Remember this all started because these drugged out marauders decided to feed Meredith a meal when they all got back to the cottage, to make up for the fact you know nothing about digestion. Remember - YOU claimed they fed her before the alleged attack.

Where is there evidence of any communication between Rudy and Amanda? Remember someone here claimed that Amanda called Rudy the morning of the 2nd, even though he stated it was only his opinion and he's not here to talk about it anyway, esp. with those who disagree with him.

So far you, yourself, are arguing from the negative. Yet you think they communicated. You've implied it was because they changed their mobile phone every day, or why even bring up Curt Warren? Despite the fact that no one, no prosecutor or judge, and not even the looniest guilter has claimed that they changed mobiles every day..... how did they manage it? Was it by smoke-signals, or was Amanda really a witch with ESP powers?

 

[Vixen]

Present the evidence...don't make it up.

Knox’s transaction history from WaMu bank in the summer of 2007 — obtained by Radar — shows she spent roughly $638 in Seattle in the month of July before leaving for Italy. In August, her spending skyrocketed to $2,765.33. That time did include travel to Germany, but still clocked in at nearly four times the $750 per month the local Umbra study abroad programs advises students to budget for typical expenses while abroad.

In September, she took out $2,452.60 from European ATMs, generally taking out in excess of $300 in cash each time. And in October, she took out $1,637.25, all in cash. In the first week of the month alone, she withdrew more than $700. Sollecito also reportedly had only around $50 in his bank account at the time of the murders. Source: TJMK


From Luca Maori Closing Arguments (Public Domain):

" Let 's see the effects of cannabis on Raffaele, the effects of cannabis were of sedative character, then he explained it well Professor Taglialatela, always De Martino says, "sometimes even fell asleep", "so they were very sedative effects ? "" that's reassuring, "Binetti:" was different in that you fall asleep more easily, "Traverso:" the effect was what he did to all of those who use it say a sense of relaxation here, but when used this substance amazing was even more peaceful than it normally is Raffaele.

" Drug use has been a topic much enhanced by the Prosecution on the assumption that just such use would lead to the violent behavior of the murderers. <snip>

Having said that I think it is plausible the possibility that a person is asleep particularly repeat taking the effects on sleep we outlined before so soporific effect of hashish. In contrast it is very different the effect of other drugs such as cocaine which cancels any inhibitions and nell'assuntore that determines a state of excitement that could lead to gratuitous violence, but the procedural documents there is no evidence to reports to affirm the use by Raffaele of cocaine, cocaine that was used by someone else.
<snip>

"Raffaele Sollecito bored by all the same evenings and eager yet to experience strong emotions as you will find on his blog under the date of 13 October 2007"* Source: The Murder of Meredith Kercher.com

It is commonly accepted that Maori, Raff's attorney is referring to Amanda Knox as the "someone else".

* Maori claims this should be corrected to 2006.

 

[Vixen]

Apparently you don't. We are not this dumb

Why not quote the whole passage from Wikipedia.

A tourniquet is a constricting or compressing device, specifically a bandage, used to control venous and arterial circulation to an extremity for a period of time. Pressure is applied circumferentially upon the skin and underlying tissues of a limb; this pressure is transferred to the walls of vessels, causing them to become temporarily occluded. It is generally used as a tool for a medical professional in applications such as cannulation or to stem the flow of traumatic bleeding, especially by military medics. The tourniquet is usually applied when the patient is in a life-threatening state as a result of continuous bleeding.

Thank God, you became an accountant because you would make a horrible Doctor. Since when is your head and brain an extremity? Circumferentially? I've never heard of a tourniquet for someone's throat. ROFL.

I can just see you explaining it to the next of kin. "Well, the good news is we stopped the bleeding. The bad news is we cut off the blood flow to her brain so she died anyway."

Very droll. The term 'tourniquette' as used loosely by the courts to refer to the staunching of blood by the towels, is as a compress. But then you knew what they meant all along.

 

[Vixen]

I'd be happy if you demonstrated ONE text, ONE phone call, or ONE anything. Even Judge Massei accepted it as factual that Rudy and Raffaele had never communicated for anything, so what is left is Rudy and Amanda.

And the communication would have to be quick. Your own timeline from above leaves five minutes for these drugged out marauders to rendezvous with Rudy and begin their, "dinner-game gone wrong," theory of yours.

Remember this all started because these drugged out marauders decided to feed Meredith a meal when they all got back to the cottage, to make up for the fact you know nothing about digestion. Remember - YOU claimed they fed her before the alleged attack.

Where is there evidence of any communication between Rudy and Amanda? Remember someone here claimed that Amanda called Rudy the morning of the 2nd, even though he stated it was only his opinion and he's not here to talk about it anyway, esp. with those who disagree with him.

So far you, yourself, are arguing from the negative. Yet you think they communicated. You've implied it was because they changed their mobile phone every day, or why even bring up Curt Warren? Despite the fact that no one, no prosecutor or judge, and not even the looniest guilter has claimed that they changed mobiles every day..... how did they manage it? Was it by smoke-signals, or was Amanda really a witch with ESP powers?

Amanda herself said she "saw Patrick [Rudy] at the basketball court".

They no doubt saw each other in the old town earlier (hence the coyness about what took place there).

As Bruno-Marasca said, young people don't necessarily hire a notary to make a legal note of an appointment.

 

[Grinder]

Knox’s transaction history from WaMu bank in the summer of 2007 — obtained by Radar — shows she spent roughly $638 in Seattle in the month of July before leaving for Italy. In August, her spending skyrocketed to $2,765.33. That time did include travel to Germany, but still clocked in at nearly four times the $750 per month the local Umbra study abroad programs advises students to budget for typical expenses while abroad.

In September, she took out $2,452.60 from European ATMs, generally taking out in excess of $300 in cash each time. And in October, she took out $1,637.25, all in cash. In the first week of the month alone, she withdrew more than $700. Sollecito also reportedly had only around $50 in his bank account at the time of the murders. Source: TJMK


From Luca Maori Closing Arguments (Public Domain):

" AssLet 's see the effects of cannabis on Raffaele, the effects of cannabis were of sedative character, then he explained it well Professor Taglialatela, always De Martino says, "sometimes even fell asleep", "so they were very sedative effects ? "" that's reassuring, "Binetti:" was different in that you fall asleep more easily, "Traverso:" the effect was what he did to all of those who use it say a sense of relaxation here, but when used this substance amazing was even more peaceful than it normally is Raffaele.

" Drug use has been a topic much enhanced by the Prosecution on the assumption that just such use would lead to the violent behavior of the murderers. <snip>

Having said that I think it is plausible the possibility that a person is asleep particularly repeat taking the effects on sleep we outlined before so soporific effect of hashish. In contrast it is very different the effect of other drugs such as cocaine which cancels any inhibitions and nell'assuntore that determines a state of excitement that could lead to gratuitous violence, but the procedural documents there is no evidence to ports to affirm the use by Raffaele cocaine, cocaine that was used by someone else.
<snip>

"Raffaele Sollecito bored by all the same evenings and eager yet to experience strong emotions as you will find on his blog under the date of 13 October 2007"* Source: The Murder of Meredith Kercher.com

It is commonly accepted that Maori, Raff's attorney is referring to Amanda Knox as the "someone else".

* Maori claims this should be corrected to 2006.

Once again she and he tested negatively for drugs.

The bank records were provided by Amanda and anyone can look at them here - http://www.amandaknox.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2007-Knox_bank_record.pdf

The withdrawals were the maximum of 250 Euro's as they charged a fixed fee per withdrawal.

Do you have the costs of the school?

 

[acbytesla]

Very droll. The term 'tourniquette' as used loosely by the courts to refer to the staunching of blood by the towels, is as a compress. But then you knew what they meant all along.

No its not. Did you notice the pictures on Wikipedia of tourniquets? A compression bandage is not the samed thing.

 

[acbytesla]

Once again she and he tested negatively for drugs.

The bank records were provided by Amanda and anyone can look at them here - http://www.amandaknox.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2007-Knox_bank_record.pdf

The withdrawals were the maximum of 250 Euro's as they charged a fixed fee per withdrawal.

Do you have the costs of the school?

Or the flight, the trains, the books, the rent and the meals.

 

[Grinder]

Or the flight, the trains, the books, the rent and the meals.

Tesla I don't think you've looked yet. The money comes out while she is in Perugia and from a cash machine. The vast majority is while she isn't traveling.

She would have needed three months rent max plus any deposit. I doubt she bought an airline ticket as that wouldn't be done in cash.

 

[Bill Williams]

I'd be happy if you demonstrated ONE text, ONE phone call, or ONE anything. Even Judge Massei accepted it as factual that Rudy and Raffaele had never communicated for anything, so what is left is Rudy and Amanda.

And the communication would have to be quick. Your own timeline from above leaves five minutes for these drugged out marauders to rendezvous with Rudy and begin their, "dinner-game gone wrong," theory of yours.

Remember this all started because these drugged out marauders decided to feed Meredith a meal when they all got back to the cottage, to make up for the fact you know nothing about digestion. Remember - YOU claimed they fed her before the alleged attack.

Where is there evidence of any communication between Rudy and Amanda? Remember someone here claimed that Amanda called Rudy the morning of the 2nd, even though he stated it was only his opinion and he's not here to talk about it anyway, esp. with those who disagree with him.

So far you, yourself, are arguing from the negative. Yet you think they communicated. You've implied it was because they changed their mobile phone every day, or why even bring up Curt Warren? Despite the fact that no one, no prosecutor or judge, and not even the looniest guilter has claimed that they changed mobiles every day..... how did they manage it? Was it by smoke-signals, or was Amanda really a witch with ESP powers?

Amanda herself said she "saw Patrick [Rudy] at the basketball court".

They no doubt saw each other in the old town earlier (hence the coyness about what took place there).

As Bruno-Marasca said, young people don't necessarily hire a notary to make a legal note of an appointment.

This is dumb, even by your standards.