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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion - continuation thread

JayUtah said:
Not true; he joined the SS in 1940. He had been convinced that doing so was the only way he would be allowed to continue rocket development. He received his last promotion in the SS hierarchy in 1943. He was also a member of the Nazi party, beginning in 1939. The broad view of the evidence suggests he never looked at these memberships as anything other than requirements of the circumstances in which he found himself, in order to continue his work.
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Like so many other German's who wanted to do any sort of major business or research at the time. I remember a quote from one historian remarking that Mein Kampf was the most conspicuously displayed, yet least read books in Germany.
 
tsig said:
Johnson assured us we could have guns and butter. He never explained how to spread butter with a gun though.
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You can use the weapon's butt but good taste and etiquette demands that that be done with margarine only. Butter may be splattered but never spread with a gun. Only a complete rube would do so.
 
Hans said:
You can use the weapon's butt but good taste and etiquette demands that that be done with margarine only. Butter may be splattered but never spread with a gun. Only a complete rube would do so.
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I was picturing a wall with an entire loaf's worth of Wonder Bread slices secured to it and a sawed-off double-barrel loaded with a quarter pound of Land O' Lakes in each barrel.

'Murica!
 
Foster Zygote said:
I was picturing a wall with an entire loaf's worth of Wonder Bread slices secured to it and a sawed-off double-barrel loaded with a quarter pound of Land O' Lakes in each barrel.

'Murica!
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Hmmmm, have you thought of selling this idea to the advertising agency of the Land O'Lakes?

I mean the foodie - NRA crowd would love it.
 
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JayUtah said:
Not true; he joined the SS in 1940. He had been convinced that doing so was the only way he would be allowed to continue rocket development. He received his last promotion in the SS hierarchy in 1943.
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Okay, let me try that again. I don't believe he was a member of the Waffen SS. But that does still leave the Allgemeine-SS. Of this group Von Braun was not the head of any SS department. He wasn't a concentration camp guard. He wasn't a member of the security forces. The rest of the Allgemeine-SS are reserve and auxiliary. Von Braun doesn't fit as reserve. For example, after most of the Death's Head division was absorbed in the army, it was reconstituted from reserve members. So, I would say that Von Braun was an auxiliary member of the SS.
 
Take heart, Truthers! A new Paladin has arrived on the scene! Massimo Mazzucco, producer of A New Pearl Harbor, wants to do for Moon Landing Denialism what he did for the 9/11 Truth Movement! Open your wallets!

https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/mazzucco-american-moon/

The Moon hoax is so much larger than anything that has ever been perpetrated. By proving that one, I think you establish a very good starting point for those who need to open their eyes a little bit to see what’s going on.
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One thing that 9/11 truthers and those who research false flag operations of all kinds are very hesitant to do is to question the Apollo Moon missions. So it will also be interesting to see how members of the Truth Movement react to Mazzucco taking on this subject. While there are a fair number of truthers who don’t believe we went to the Moon, many are afraid that admitting this will hurt their credibility.
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Hans said:
You can use the weapon's butt but good taste and etiquette demands that that be done with margarine only. Butter may be splattered but never spread with a gun. Only a complete rube would do so.
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You are so wrong! :p The 'butt' of a gun was given that name because that is how butter was originally spread! :o

Butter in neolithic times was spread using ones posterior, hence the posterior is called a 'butt.' However, the use of ones posterior as a spreader was replaced in more civilized times by the use of the handle of the gun. Hence, the handle of the gun is now called a 'butt'.

The servant directly assigned to spreading the butter with the gun came to be called a 'butler'. In neolithic times, the person who spread the butter with his posterior was called 'Butch.':blush:
 
JayUtah said:
Correct, he was an officer in the Allgemeine-SS. Thanks for clarifying your meaning.
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In that respect, he was probably no different from the archaeological scholars and researchers working for Himmler's "Ahnenerbe". Because the "Ahnenerbe" was incorporated into the Allgemeine SS, everyone working for it was SS by default.
 
JayUtah said:
Specifically in one case, he offers the prize for someone who can prove that Apollo carried enough fuel to perform the advertised orbital maneuvers. Of course that was done, but Anders objects because it wasn't figured according to his broken model of physics.



Is there really any question? He constantly brings up the million-euro prize and thumps his chest over the fact that no one has won it, but steadfastly refuses to demonstrate via any of the customary means (e.g., authenticated escrow) that the money exists. Naturally no one takes the prize seriously; they correct him simply to put the corrects on the record. But Anders is the one who keeps taunting people with the money.



That's the ultimate joke in his approach. Anders is the sole judge of whether or not he has been corrected, and therefore the sole judge of whether anyone is owed a million euros. He corrects his errors (see below) but he simply refuses to admit that he was ever wrong.



Clearly he doesn't understand the mechanical energy of orbits, but the fact remains that he originally computed the delta-v problem one way, omitting the variable-mass term of the Tsiolkovsky ideal-rocket equation, but agreed that he should be computing it a different way and refused to admit that he had been corrected.

Not only did he refuse to acknowledge the error he corrected, he blatantly libeled a member of Apollohoax in the process. It's an epic ad hominem that would be appropriate only in the Stundie thread, if even there.
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I don't think its possible to ever prove to a conspiracy theorist that their theories are delusions- for one thing, they will dismiss all evidence that discredits them as being fake. Plus the burden of proof is on THEM to back their claims- something they don't get, as CTs reject the scientific method
 
Tinfoil Hater said:
I don't think its possible to ever prove to a conspiracy theorist that their theories are delusions- for one thing, they will dismiss all evidence that discredits them as being fake.
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True. And for that reason most who offer this sort of reward never push it farther than the predictable bluff. They are fairly confident no one can or will rise to the occasion of refuting them soundly enough. Bjorkmann is unusual in his incessant boasting at how right he must be since no one has collected his reward. In his case this does little except focus on his assiduous refusal to pay out. Many have risen to the challenge and have refuted him. He just ignores it or changes the conditions of the test.

Plus the burden of proof is on THEM to back their claims- something they don't get, as CTs reject the scientific method
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Bjorkmann claims to have scientific proof. Of course it's wrong, but he feels his prior credentials and experience make him infallible. In practical terms his arguments are no better than the layman's twaddle, but in his mind they are good science.
 
Morning radio was rambling on about some strange signals that supposedly were detected by Apollo 10 on the "dark side of the Moon" (sic). Can't remember the details, but it was the usual deal about not telling anyone since they wouldn't be believed. Has anyone heard that story before?

(I just looked up, and it seems the whole crew are still alive, so at least there is a remote possibility for amazing revelation of the UFO kind...) :)
 
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