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It's time for a Ted Cruz thread.

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The issue isn't really whether Cruz technically broke the law, but that he has misrepresented his finances to the public.

Except that he didn't. All that information that the NYT found was found in public filings. It wasn't in the right public filings to meet the technical demands of the law, but it was still all public, which is how the NYT found out about it.


Not persuasive. Let's go through the reasons:
1. He is still indebted to Goldman.

It was a standard loan, given at low interest rates because it was secured. Goldman Sachs cannot change the terms of the loan, and Cruz doesn't need them to. So nothing he does as a politician will have any effect on the loan. The terms won't be improved if he does their bidding, and they won't degrade if he doesn't.

2. He didn’t simply “forget” to file the disclosure; he made up a self-reverential story to go with it.

No. The story is reverential towards his wife, not him.

3. He is going on stage tonight in a debate against several highly skilled candidates who don’t like him to begin with.

He did fine in the debate.

4. Trump is going to have a field day with this one, which is certainly a more solid reason than his birther hooey on which to disqualify Cruz.

See above.

5. Cruz’s campaign is built on the populist, anti-establishment narrative.

This is incoherent. Nothing about being rich precludes one from being a populist. And the charge of influence peddling is absurd. These were not sweetheart loans, they were (as even the NYT article admits) standard loans for someone with Cruz's resources. It's notable that even though this accusation depends upon the loans being special, Rubin never actually outright states that they are, she only implies it. And that's because they weren't. She wouldn't have an argument at all if she was honest about that point.

6. It is hard to say this is an oversight.

No, actually, it's not hard at all. Campaign finance laws are byzantine.

7. This is precisely the sort of slick, dishonest conduct he accuses professional politicians of undertaking.

Again, Rubin is assuming that the loan was special. But it wasn't.

8. Oh, it was not just Goldman.

So what?

9. This all feeds into Trump’s argument that he is not beholden to anyone, unlike greedy politicians.

Again, the loans were standard loans. Are you "beholden" to your bank because of your mortgage? Not if it was a standard mortgage, and you're paying it off. And Trump is no stranger to borrowing money himself, and much, much more of it than Cruz ever did.

10. Cruz is going to spend more news cycles defending himself when he wanted to be firing up his troops and attacking others.

Perhaps, but that says nothing about the merit of the charge itself.
 
Alan Grayson, who says he'll challenge Cruz's eligibility to be POTUS if Cruz is nominated, is now saying it's recently come out that Cruz's mom voted in Canada and therefore had to have become a Canadian citizen, further clouding Cruz's eligibility.

Ted Cruz's Mother Was On Official List Of Canadian Citizens Eligible To Vote

She may have been on the Voters' List but that by no means makes her a Canadian Citizen. You have to apply for citizenship and there is a process to be followed. The Lists themselves were somewhat of a joke and often contained names of people who did not actually qualify as voters. The door-to-door enumeration system was replaced in 1997 with a permanent National Register of Electors.
 
She may have been on the Voters' List but that by no means makes her a Canadian Citizen. You have to apply for citizenship and there is a process to be followed. The Lists themselves were somewhat of a joke and often contained names of people who did not actually qualify as voters. The door-to-door enumeration system was replaced in 1997 with a permanent National Register of Electors.
Preaching to the choir, Gord. I also think it's silly. I was just noting that people are using these things to challenge his eligibility.


It would have been interesting to know what the SCOTUS would have ruled were Obama actually born in Kenya vs what they'd rule if it's Cruz and Canada.
 
"Believe me, if I could say 'Liberal Jew,' I would."

- "Ted Cruz"
Saturday Night Live

I think in Ted Cruz's mind, acceptance of homosexuality is a New York value. Specifically, a New York value that voters should be wary of.
 
Preaching to the choir, Gord. I also think it's silly. I was just noting that people are using these things to challenge his eligibility.

I know. I know. But unless these things are said, some of the choir seems to sing off key.

It would have been interesting to know what the SCOTUS would have ruled were Obama actually born in Kenya vs what they'd rule if it's Cruz and Canada.

Answering a question such as that requires tossing a coin.
 
I'm worried about his religious extremism, too, which I'm 99% sure is Ayn Rand's atheist objectivism (social darwinism.)

There are a lot of fake Christians in Washington, and Cruz is probably the most transparent faker.
 
I'm worried about his religious extremism, too, which I'm 99% sure is Ayn Rand's atheist objectivism (social darwinism.)

There are a lot of fake Christians in Washington, and Cruz is probably the most transparent faker.

I don't think you could possibly be more wrong. He's a total and complete theocrat. Look into his father Rafael as well.

Speaking of fake Christians, Donald Trump spoke at Liberty "University" this morning and didn't mention Cruz once. He may be crazy, but he's not stupid.
 
I don't think you could possibly be more wrong. He's a total and complete theocrat. Look into his father Rafael as well.

Speaking of fake Christians, Donald Trump spoke at Liberty "University" this morning and didn't mention Cruz once. He may be crazy, but he's not stupid.

What makes you so sure he's (Cruz) not just faking to play the Evangelicals?
 
What makes you so sure he's (Cruz) not just faking to play the Evangelicals?
He's been doing it his whole life. If he's a fake, he's got an awful lot of people fooled. What evidence do you have that he's not a complete fundie loon? Which should perhaps be discussed in Conspiracy Theories.
 
Yeah, 'body of work'. The guy's a total theocrat.

Where do you get the idea it's put on?

I was partially raised by someone strikingly similar. "You go to church to be seen and make business connections!" and he had a completely fake conversion story and could turn on the waterworks just like Cruz when talking about feeling God's love and his sins being washed away, etc. This is a thing business people do.
 
Is it outlandish to suggest Obama is a closet agnostic secular humanist?
 
I also have evidence that Trump's probably some sort of Pantheist (where you just call everything in the universe "god"), who considers himself technically kind of Christian forever, just because he went through Presbyterian confirmation as a kid.
 

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