Continuation Part 19: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

Yes, yes, yes but not the knife. Oops, the girls would have noticed her shoes BEFORE the murder, you know when she wore them.

Go read Massei, the Asics were not a match or really compatible they were only used as measuring comparison for width to length, which was basically worthless. They couldn't find a sole that matched, anywhere.

No MK DNA in Raf's car or flat, no MK DNA anywhere but the miracle bloodless murder knife. Bloody shoes, bloody cleaning rags and mops, bloody knife, and bloody clothes but no blood found on anything at Raf's or in his car... a miracle.

If you read Boemia carefully, he drew attention to the narrowness of the heel at 40mm and managed to match it to a ladies size 36.5 ASICS trainer. OK, so you and PIP chums claim "they are not Amanda's shoes", you have to concede - which you haven't, which tells me the PIP's know deep in their hearts Amanda is not innocent - that if the shoeprint found in Mez' blood in the murder room is not Amanda's, then: there is a killer at large, likely female, but definitely with feminine sized feet. However, I cannot see anyone caring a darn that this must be the case, logically.

FYI There was no Raff DNA in Raff's car, either. What did happen to the bag of clothes both he and Amanda wrote she went to the cottage to fetch?

Herewith for the record, which shows the bloodstained shoe print transposed on the police sample pic of a ladies size 36.5 ASICS trainer. You'll see it fits perfectly.

 

[Vixen]

It would take an idiot to say that shoe matches that print. There is only one aspect that is somewhat similar. Where is the cross pattern? I see NO ribs of the shoe that matches. Ooops. Another distortion. In fact, that is a partial of Rudy's shoe print.

What an absurd statement, "It is Rudy's shoeprint", when by yoour own account he was over 5'11" with size 44/45 feet. A muscular guy with well-developed muscles so toned that when hanging by the fingertips on a ledge, there is enough power in the pecs, biceps, wrists and chest, to lever himself up, without the help of bars - and with the very real danger of losing balance and falling 3.3 metres to the ground and breaking your neck - is also going to have broad muscular feet, and is no way going to be able to cram his feet, let alone the heel, into narrow-heeled ladies trainers size 36.5, with a heel width of just 40mm.

If Rudy left the shoeprint, as you spuriously claim, it would not measure just 40mm at the heel.

Please don't launch into a PR-style damage limitation spiel about how the sheet was doubled up and it is "just half a heel print", as I have seen before.

What did Mark Twain say about "fooling the people"? Remind me.

 

[Vixen]

What's your evidence to support this contention?

(Hint: either of "I read it on a partisan website" or "I heard it from some bloke down the pub" will not stand as acceptable evidence).

Thanks in advance for supplying the evidence to back up your claim. I know how extremely important proper confirmatory research is to you - and rightly so.

What? Any skoolboy kno' a judge doesn't have the power to change the law. You want me to give you a reference for what should be common knowledge? I should be delighted to refer you to wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation

 

[Vixen]

No, it isn't. The word smell or a variation of it, is used 10 times in "Darkness Descending" and none of those mentions are related to Amanda Knox.

But let me help you out. It's once again Barbie "on a mission against the Seattle message machine" Nadeau who made this thing up for her own book "Angel Face" (page 55/kindle 609):


I don't even try to find something in the testimony that "never got to court".
Just for the record: Italo Carmignani is a reporter for "Il Messaggero".

It was Darkness Descending I first saw the claim. Perhaps they used one of the many synonyms for smell.

It is not new information.

 

[Vixen]

Have I got this right?

Amanda had a shower to clean all the blood off, she also had a shower with Raff, but she couldn't have showered because she smelt of B.O., and she also smelt of sex?

Have I missed anything?

IIRC according to Nick Van Der Leek (cue much frothing at the mouth by PIP's) duty officers reported a stench not dissimilar to cat pee and often associated with cocaine use.

 

[Vixen]

So, let's get this straight. Vixen points to Darkness Descending, for a cite about testimony about smell.

Turns out, there's nothing relevant in Darkness Descending to make Vixen's point - which probably explains why she did not simply quote it since - ah, er, there was nothing to quote.

Another Vixen wild goose chase.

And it turns out it was not court testimony to begin with. I mean, don't get me going what "smelled like sex" actually refers to, but there was a one-off alleged comment by Carmignani, which made it into Barbie Nadeau's sluttly little book. A book about the drug-fueled, sex-infested, three-some doing students of Perugia......

.... which Michael Winterbottom bought the rights to, and showed "Simone" in high-class hotels in Siena (doubling for Perugia) having sex with abandon with the other reporters - which the film says cost Simone her marriage - and doing cocaine with the best of them.

Other than all this malarkey, Vixen may be on to something.

You write prolifically about 'sluttiness' for someone who claims to eschew any references to a "slut" as being "slut-shaming".

In the UK, the pure meaning of the word "slut", simply means someone who's slovenly in housekeeping.

 

[Vixen]

The lines inside the heel are curved the opposite way from the picture of the print.

Did anyone testify that she owned such shoes? Girls notice that sort of trivial stuff.

I flipped the photo for you so you can better visualise it spatially.

 

[Vixen]

You might want to take a closer look at pages 28-48 of Prof Vinci's analysis...

Vinci IIRC was the defence consultant.

Now please meditate on the official forensic analysis and tell me what you see:

------Quote:
Dr Rinaldi and Chief Inspector Boemia were given the task of doing the technical investigation of the footprints that the luminol revealed.[5] Of these three had sufficient details to be used for the purpose of identification. Two of the footprints made in blood were identified as being compatible with Amanda Knox and the third was identified as being compatible with Raffaele Sollecito.[6] It was further possible to use the same measurements to exclude the possibility that Rudy Guede made the bloody footprints.[7]
Finding 1 / L5 / Rep. 180
Located in the bedroom of Amanda Knox this was identified as the right foot most likely in a deposit of haematic substance. The 1st toe, 3rd toe, the metatarsus, and a portion of the plantar arch led the technicians to conclude that the footprint was compatible with Amanda Knox's right foot.[8] This trace was also found to have Amanda Knox's DNA.[9]


Map of Luminol Traces in Cottage, Mixed DNA in green
Finding 2 / L7 / Rep. 181
(Pictured above) Located in the corridor in the direction facing the exit was the print of another right foot made imprinted by a deposit of blood.[10] Next to the right foot was a print (L6) made by a left foot but there were no useful details for identification purposes.[11] The right foot did provide useful information. Being placed on a Robbins grid the investigators were able to get measurements for the big toe, both width and length for the metatarsus, and a width measurement for the heel.[12] The bloody footprint was determined to be compatible with Raffaele Sollecito's right foot.[13]
Finding 7 / L9 / Rep. 184
Located in the corridor directly in front of the door to Meredith Kercher's room and pointing towards the entrance as if entering the room.[14] Measurements for the big toe, metatarsus, and heel were found to be compatible with Amanda Knox's foot.[15]
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Ends (Source: http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces#Finding_7_.2F_L9_.2F_Rep._184)

Conclusion: Amanda and Raff were without doubt at the murder scene, with Rudy. They were barefooted at some stage. Rudy remained shodden and you can see his prints in blood making for the door. He clearly stepped in the same substance as Amanda and Raff, to create these prints. You'll alo see they are one-legged and the large gaps in the various sets of footprints indicates a clean up.

Please don't argue they had the power to hover.

 

[Vixen]

Repeat after me. "A QUIT ED". Now a second time "A QUIT ED". Now go away. When you learn what that means, you can come back. Amanda and Raffaele have proven to be more decent, more upright, more honorable than you could dream to be.

For the record: it is spelt, "acquitted".

 

[Vixen]

Can you supply evidence to support this, please?

And it's de rigueur. You've been told before: if you're going to try to use "sophisticated" non-English phraseology, please make sure it's correct.

Trust me. The Italian police ask you to attend a questura. Take a lawyer with you, pal.

 

[Vixen]

First of all Boemia doesn't have any shoe that matches what he says is a clear print. Secondly not even Massei buys B's analysis.

Massei - The Court, on this point, takes notice of the opposing conclusions without expressing a specific opinion. It cannot in fact be excluded that Guede alone tread on the cushion lying on the floor, to the exclusion of Knox (the smaller dimensions of the right foot can be explained by the characteristics of the underlying surface, the pillow, having a non-rigid structure and where the material of the pillow-slip may have been not perfectly straightened out, but, on the contrary, soft and as such determining the curvature), to whom [=Knox], actually, one [must] attribute moving herself about the murder scene essentially in bare feet, as shown in the part of the report that examines the genetic investigations that were done on certain biological traces and the positive Luminol prints.


Thirdly no reports of a missing pair of shoes from Amanda's collection.

Surely this is another area where the clever little murderess had hidden these shoes while in Perugia as she had plans to murder Meredith from before she knew her.

Another example of Massei bending over backwards for the kids.

But he still convicted.

Not even Bruno and Marasca could bring themselves to decree the kids "innocent", but affirm they were there at the murder cottage, Amanda washed Mez' blood off and covered Rudy's back. Legal finding.

 

[Vixen]

Or to match it to a trainer that Knox never even owned.

LMAO She's hardly going to admit it's hers.

 

[Vixen]

Perhaps the person who did it is the armed wall climbing rock throwing window smashing criminal who left 8 bloody footprints around the body, a bloody handprint next to the body, DNA inside the stripped body's genitals, fled to Germany, and said he didn't do it because while he was on a date with the victim a bushy haired stranger came in just as he had to go to the toilet and when he came back Meredith was dying and he got scared and didn't call the police as she died in front of his eyes.

Several of the bloody footprints match Raff and Amanda, too. Forensic fact.

 

[Methos]

It was Darkness Descending I first saw the claim. Perhaps they used one of the many synonyms for smell.

It is not new information.

Oh, I tried a few of those synonyms - like odour (two hits, none of them related to Knox) - as well, so if you want to keep up claiming this you might want to give us a quote including the page number or kindle location..

IIRC according to Nick Van Der Leek (cue much frothing at the mouth by PIP's) duty officers reported a stench not dissimilar to cat pee and often associated with cocaine use.

Now you are attributing PQ's interpretation of BN's "She smelled like sex" to Nick van der Leek? I wonder what Mr van der Leek's sources are? PQ first offered/invented it in this comment:

Could AK have had a separate drug habit from RS? It was Knox outside the house displaying the cat-urine smell that comes from crystal meth. Nobody remarked that Sollecito had that smell.

It became a gospel at TJMK after it was refined in the comment here:

The cops pretty well all knew Knox was on cocaine because of her smell of cat-urine, a strong indicator, outside the house the day after.

It's interesting that he isn't able to focus on one drug. What is it now, cocaine or crystal meth?

 

[sept79]

Wow! 14 posts from 11:51 am to 1:05 pm . . .

 

[Methos]

Vinci IIRC was the defence consultant.

Now please meditate on the official forensic analysis and tell me what you see:

------Quote:
Dr Rinaldi and Chief Inspector Boemia were given the task of doing the technical investigation of the footprints that the luminol revealed.[5] Of these three had sufficient details to be used for the purpose of identification. Two of the footprints made in blood were identified as being compatible with Amanda Knox and the third was identified as being compatible with Raffaele Sollecito.[6] It was further possible to use the same measurements to exclude the possibility that Rudy Guede made the bloody footprints.[7]
Finding 1 / L5 / Rep. 180
Located in the bedroom of Amanda Knox this was identified as the right foot most likely in a deposit of haematic substance. The 1st toe, 3rd toe, the metatarsus, and a portion of the plantar arch led the technicians to conclude that the footprint was compatible with Amanda Knox's right foot.[8] This trace was also found to have Amanda Knox's DNA.[9]


Map of Luminol Traces in Cottage, Mixed DNA in green
Finding 2 / L7 / Rep. 181
(Pictured above) Located in the corridor in the direction facing the exit was the print of another right foot made imprinted by a deposit of blood.[10] Next to the right foot was a print (L6) made by a left foot but there were no useful details for identification purposes.[11] The right foot did provide useful information. Being placed on a Robbins grid the investigators were able to get measurements for the big toe, both width and length for the metatarsus, and a width measurement for the heel.[12] The bloody footprint was determined to be compatible with Raffaele Sollecito's right foot.[13]
Finding 7 / L9 / Rep. 184
Located in the corridor directly in front of the door to Meredith Kercher's room and pointing towards the entrance as if entering the room.[14] Measurements for the big toe, metatarsus, and heel were found to be compatible with Amanda Knox's foot.[15]
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Ends (Source: http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces#Finding_7_.2F_L9_.2F_Rep._184)

Conclusion: Amanda and Raff were without doubt at the murder scene, with Rudy. They were barefooted at some stage. Rudy remained shodden and you can see his prints in blood making for the door. He clearly stepped in the same substance as Amanda and Raff, to create these prints. You'll alo see they are one-legged and the large gaps in the various sets of footprints indicates a clean up.

Please don't argue they had the power to hover.

Yep, Prof Vinci is the defence consultant, and even without speaking Italian, it is quite clear that his analysis makes a lot more sense from a scientific viewpoint than Rinaldi's. Am I supposed to be impressed by the lable "official forensic analysis"?

Perhaps the only truthful thing in Rinaldi's report is the classification of the various prints he had to analyse. He classified all of them as either "non utile per confronti positivi ma utile per confronti negativi” or "non utile". He should have stopped at this point, or if he really wanted to attribute some compatibility to those prints he should have had at least few more reference prints. You know that Meredith Kercher (36-38) and Amanda Knox (37) had about the same shoe size, according to Rinaldi's report, don't you?
The interesting thing is, that to me the following attributions don't even look "compatible":
Knox:

Sollecito:

 

[Bill Williams]

Several of the bloody footprints match Raff and Amanda, too. Forensic fact.

Matched!? You'd better get this specious factoid to the Massei court. Although you're six years too late. Massei had not made any of that "fact".

Better still, present this at the upcoming criminal trial for Marasca and Bruno, who acquitted them. That trial is in all the Italian papers!

 

[Bill Williams]

Another example of Massei bending over backwards for the kids.

But he still convicted.

Not even Bruno and Marasca could bring themselves to decree the kids "innocent", but affirm they were there at the murder cottage, Amanda washed Mez' blood off and covered Rudy's back. Legal finding.

Wrong. Simply repeating it undaunted while slow-flooding the thread does not miraculously make it right.

 

[Bill Williams]

Another example of Massei bending over backwards for the kids.

Wow. You even accuse the convicting judges of misconduct. If it's not apparent to you that you have, there's no point pointing it out.

 

[Matthew Best]

Not a paragon of virtue: have hit over 90mph once or twice in the past.

So your previous assertion that you had never once broken the law was a lie?

Sorry - I meant to say, "another lie".