{Sigh} That didn't take long.

The Atheist said:
Good spot.

Six weeks ago, it would have been inconceivable that he would be at the table. Now, it's inconceivable he wouldn't be.
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If ISIS, etc... sharpens and focuses its terrorist campaign directly and consistently at Mother Russia, Putin may come to regret the "opportunity"
 
trustbutverify said:
If ISIS, etc... sharpens and focuses its terrorist campaign directly and consistently at Mother Russia, Putin may come to regret the "opportunity"
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Flattening Chechnya while hiring those who saw the light didn't seem to cause him many problems.

While I'm not a big fan of that kind of action, you can't deny it works.
 
The Atheist said:
Flattening Chechnya while hiring those who saw the light didn't seem to cause him many problems.

While I'm not a big fan of that kind of action, you can't deny it works.
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You're right, I can't... in that context. But ISIS and their inspirees are capable of changing the game board. A barrage of spectacularly savage, large scale terrorist operations aimed at Russia's most cosmopolitan population centers could dramatically change the political situation for Putin. I believe, anyway.
 
Possible, I agree, but I'm going to make the wild suggestion that Russia's security is a little bit more stringent than France's.
 
trustbutverify said:
You're right, I can't... in that context. But ISIS and their inspirees are capable of changing the game board. A barrage of spectacularly savage, large scale terrorist operations aimed at Russia's most cosmopolitan population centers could dramatically change the political situation for Putin. I believe, anyway.
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Until Putin ordered Russian forces to wipe the Caliphate-in-the-making off the map, then Putin's domestic support would be right back where it is now. I don't see IS militants wanting to hit Russia again right now.
 
Funny thing is right after my post the evening news aired cell-phone footage of the attack at the concert as the first shots were fired, and I've seen two new ones since.
 
The Atheist said:
Possible, I agree, but I'm going to make the wild suggestion that Russia's security is a little bit more stringent than France's.
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No doubt. But it's a numbers game, and I have a feeling a properly motivated, ruthlessly sadistic international terrorist organization might have the persistence and patience required to make such a campaign work.

Arisia said:
Until Putin ordered Russian forces to wipe the Caliphate-in-the-making off the map, then Putin's domestic support would be right back where it is now. I don't see IS militants wanting to hit Russia again right now.
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I agree, that's probably true. But I've heard it said killing one enraged Jihadist just creates two to take their place, so there are some heavy risks associated with a scorched earth policy, as well.
 
trustbutverify said:
I've heard it said killing one enraged Jihadist just creates two to take their place, so there are some heavy risks associated with a scorched earth policy, as well.
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That kind of "ooh best not make them angry" approach is what they rely on.

They are like young siblings where one will poke the other until they lash out, at which point the tormentor will run crying to mommy complaining that they've been hit.

They are wife beaters shouting "look what you made me do".

There is no justification for what they do and no justification for doing nothing in response to them.
 
I think cowardice is behind a lot of the :Oooh don't make them angry approach.
It is just another form of appeasement, and we all know how well appeasement works.
 
trustbutverify said:
But I've heard it said killing one enraged Jihadist just creates two to take their place, so there are some heavy risks associated with a scorched earth policy, as well.
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It seems that killing individual jihadists isn't the problem. It's when killing the jihadist also kills multiple bystanders who happen to be nearby that new ones tend to arise from the families of the bystanders. It's like killing multiple parents of young children every night and wondering why you keep getting new vigilantes in animal costumes. But "scorched earth" pretty much implies indiscriminate damage, so your point is valid on that level.
 
dudalb said:
I think cowardice is behind a lot of the :Oooh don't make them angry approach.
It is just another form of appeasement, and we all know how well appeasement works.
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True. Look how well the attack method is working.
 
The Alex Jones site has become a two minute hate against Muslims.
Quite a change from when the Muslims were the poor victims of NWO back in the middle of the last decade.
Just more proof(though none was really needed) that Jones is a whore,who has no political principles except fleecing the gullible.
 
dudalb said:
I think cowardice is behind a lot of the :Oooh don't make them angry approach.
It is just another form of appeasement, and we all know how well appeasement works.
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Have countries actually used that argument?

Personally I would support military action IF coupled with a Munroe Doctrine type make-the-place-better-agaib as soon as the military operation of taking down ISIS is complete. Leaving a countryside destroyed, no infrastructure, no living space, no employment only creates the basis for the next group you have to fight.
 
The Atheist said:
Wow, you're just asking to be labelled a conspiracy theorist with that attitude!

Meanwhile, Turkey shows its solidarity with the War on Terror in a minute's silence for the Paris victims: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/footba...tes-silence-for-paris-victims-before-friendly
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How so? History seems to be on the side of what I wrote. Germany's situation after WW1 was one aspect of the causes of WW2. A broken, destitute German public followed the charismatic orator who rose to power.

How does the Turkish event dispute my point, exactly?

You realize that Turks and Greeks have a very long history of animosity towards each other, right?
 
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