Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[acbytesla]

Legally and factually, Amanda is a convicted felon who was sentenced to three-years jail for the serious crime of calumny.

Not at the time of the murder. Legally and factually. All you have is this absurd nonsense withe the callunia.

But since we are talking "LEGALLY AND FACTUAULLY". They are both "LEGALLY AND FACTUAULLY INNOCENT" of the murder of Meredith Kercher.

 

[Vixen]

Wow! Lying comes easy for you. Neither Amanda or Raffaele had a criminal record. Rudy did not have a criminal record that is true. But, he had been arrested just days before for something he would be convicted of. He also of course was in possession of stolen goods from a burglary that took place a few weeks earlier.

But then you knew all along Amanda was booked for a recklessly riotous party and Raff had been done for possession of drugs when you knowingly wrote your deliberately misleading statement.

 

[Vixen]

Not at the time of the murder. Legally and factually. All you have is this absurd nonsense withe the callunia.

But since we are talking "LEGALLY AND FACTUAULLY". They are both "LEGALLY AND FACTUAULLY INNOCENT" of the murder of Meredith Kercher.

Not so. Please, please read Bruno and Marasca's report, scurrilous though it is.

 

[LondonJohn]

Someone's lying by omission. Candace? IA? Amanda sent Mez a whole series of desperate texts.

But then, you knew that, didn't you? We all know you've omitted half of it. What does it say about you that you have done so?

Maybe you can tell me which ones I've "omitted" then. Go right ahead

ETA: And I want to see time sent and content. If "we all know" this, you should have very little trouble finding the evidence. Shouldn't you?

 

[LondonJohn]

Not so. Please, please read Bruno and Matasca's report, scurrilous though it is.

You appear to be still having a great deal of trouble grasping the concept - a concept which has been constitutionally part of Italian law for many years now - of "innocent until proven guilty". I think there are quite a few books that you can read on the subject if you're interested in educating yourself. You're welcome

 

[RWVBWL]

No, it's not. They never demanded anything. Persecution is spending 4 years behind bars for something they did not do.

Legally and factually, Amanda is a convicted felon who was sentenced to three-years jail for the serious crime of calumny.

Gosh,
some of these postings kinda reminds me
of some old B+W cowboy movies that I've seen that were filmed waaay back in the day in Italy.
Spaghetti Westerns, I think that they'sa mighta been-a called.
Italian Justice!


Miss Amanda Knox was convicted and sentenced + served, unbeknownst to her at the time, 3 years in prison
for simply conversin' with the cops l8 at night just a few days after her room mate + friend
was raped and murdered, all the while doin' conversing so without a lawyer present.

Rudy Guede,
he was sentenced to ah, what was it?
1+1/2 years for havin' been busted being inside a nursery school
with stolen goods + a huuuuge kitchen knife on him?


Enquiring Surfer Minds Need To Know!:
If Rudy Guede was found inside of your office,
or inside of your own home workplace office,
would you have believed his story,
Vixen?



And "poor Rudy"
he was sentenced to ONLY 16 years for raping Miss Kercher,
or was that probably stabbing her or helping stab her to death so he could rape her
with a "bro" present, whom Italian investigators still can not seem to ID???

Italian Justice,
on display for The World to see,
is seen at it finest!

No way was "poor Rudy"
sentenced to some draconian punishment of 16 years
just imprisoned because he did not help to save Mez by yelling out for loud,
like Rudy says that Mez did, so loud that her scream coulda been heard in the street
from her bedroom whilst all the windows of her flat were, ah, still unbroken yet?
Ya know, the staging hadn't even happened yet!

Nor did The Gued-O
get them 16 years just because he did not simply call 118 for help
before he went out dancin' that night?

16 years???
http://web.archive.org/web/20101015...2/guedes-penalty-reduced-in-appeal-trial.html


Gotta opinion of this,
Vixen?
XXX,
RW

 

[Mike1711]

You are completely wrong. Charles Manson was not at the scene of the murders, but guilty nonetheless.

I am not sure as to whether I should even respond to this.
Of course someone can orchestrate a murder from afar and therefore be guilty of murder. The Mafia do it. Hitler did it in WWII.
So what?
It has nothing whatsoever to do with THIS case AT ALL, which is the context of my post.

 

[acbytesla]

Someone's lying by omission. Candace? IA? Amanda sent Mez a whole series of desperate texts.
But then, you knew that, didn't you? We all know you've omitted half of it. What does it say about you that you have done so?

No, she didn't. You keep reading your own confirmation bias into events that much more likely have a different interpretation. You are convinced of Amanda's guilt so you color events to meet your preconception.But there is NO EVIDENCE that Amanda felt slighted. NONE.

This is a concept you refuse to learn. It is the responsibility of those suggesting guilt to prove events and conditions. You keep suggesting that Amanda felt slighted, yet there is NOTHING to confirm that. And what about Raffaele? You keep ignoring that he has no reason to dislike Meredith. Oh that's right, you made up this Manga fantasy for him.

What's really stupid about your logic, as if any of it is smart. You keep turning these college educated intelligent people into morons.

 

[Vixen]

Do you have verifiable proof that Meredith flew home to England in October prior to her scheduled trip home, that was scheduled for early November within a few days of her murder?

Which "Tech" would that be that Amanda had spoke to?

In any event, since Meredith was scheduled to fly home to England within days of her murder (she already had some bags packed), Amanda may very well have believed (or hoped) that Meredith had already left and had locked her bedroom door.

In their testimony back in June 2009, why didn't Meredith's family mention this phantom October visit?

Meredith called her mom nightly, and her mom testified in 2009 that Meredith and Amanda got along "all right." Yet, you claim that Meredith was so upset with Amanda within a few weeks of living with her, that Meredith had kavetched about Amanda during this entire mystery flight in October 2007?

Two weeks prior to Meredith's murder, Amanda and Meredith went together to a chocolate festival, as well as to a concert, and according to their Italian roomies, Amanda and Meredith would also go shopping together, as well as lounge together in the sun on their patio.

Can you explain all these inconsistencies with your original claim that Meredith had complained about Amanda constantly on a mystery flight home sometime in that same month of October?

According to the Kerchers' testimony, it was Amanda's decision to not hang around with Meredith's English gal-pals, and while that may have slightly miffed Meredith (or not), Amanda shouldn't have felt left out, especially since Amanda was spending all her time with Raffaele the week prior to the murder.

As for the diary, let's resolve the issue of the mystery flight home before veering down another one of your blind alleys, OK?

Mez had a return flight to London from Perugia, via Florence, during which, "Meredith had complained about Amanda for almost the entire journey."

Before charging in like a thick-skinned rhinocerous into a china shop, please have the courtesy to check your facts before conjuring up your clumsy conjectures and maliciously calling people who do know the facts, "liars".

 

[Vixen]

Maybe you can tell me which ones I've "omitted" then. Go right ahead

ETA: And I want to see time sent and content. If "we all know" this, you should have very little trouble finding the evidence. Shouldn't you?

This issue has already been well-covered. As you already know. Please use the "search" facility.

 

[acbytesla]

But then you knew all along Amanda was booked for a recklessly riotous party and Raff had been done for possession of drugs when you knowingly wrote your deliberately misleading statement.

No, in fact two more disgusting lies. Amanda was never "booked" for the party. She received a ticket for noise. Raffaele also never was arrested for drugs.

It is you that is making deliberately misleading statements. You said that Amanda and Raffaele both had "criminal" records when in fact NEITHER did.

 

[bagels]

But then you knew all along Amanda was booked for a recklessly riotous party and Raff had been done for possession of drugs when you knowingly wrote your deliberately misleading statement.

The noise ticket was a civil infraction. If you have ever parked for 5 minutes over a meter, jaywalked, gone 1 mph over the speed limit, you are as much a criminal as Amanda was.

1) Nothing rich about it. My son had a cleaner and a daily prepared breakfast in his first year at Durham Uni. Pretty standard stuff. (2) Rudy did not have a criminal record, whereas both Amanda and Raff did (3) Kokomani came all the way from Albania to tell police he witnessed the trio rehearsing their crime (4) Rudy was adopted by one of the richest families in Perugia (5) Amanda came from working class westside Seattle (6) Curt didn't even have a spare bedroom to put up Amanda and Deanna when they visited (7) Rudy is captured on cctv entering the front door shortly behind either Amanda or Mez. So much for your lies, or Rudy having to shin up the drainpipe. Oh, wait. there wasn't one.

ETA (8) Rudy left very little evidence. It is only thanks to his DNA being on an immigrants database they matched him at all.

I thought you said the Sollecito family's mafia connections corrupted the Supreme Court of Italy to spring him from the murder rap? Now you're saying he was just some chump? Your story seems to change to suit whatever you happen to be peddling at the moment. I definitely take that as a sign of a sincere and coherent poster lol

 

[Vixen]

Gosh,
these postings kinda reminds me of some old cowboy movies I've seen that were filmed back in the day in Italy.
Spaghetti Westerns, I think that they'sa mighta been-a called.
Italian Justice!


Miss Amanda Knox was convicted and sentenced + served, unbeknownst at the time, 3 years
for simply conversin' with the cops l8 at night just a few days after her room mate + friend
was raped and murdered,
all while doin' so
without a lawyer present.

Rudy Guede,
he was sentenced to ah, what was it?
1+1/2 years for havin' been busted being inside a nursery school
with stolen goods + a huuuuge kitchen knife on him?


Enquiring Surfer Minds Need To Know!:
If Rudy Guede was found inside of your office,
or inside of your own home workplace office,
would you have believed his story,
Vixen?



And "poor Rudy"
was sentenced to ONLY 16 years for raping Miss Kercher,
probably stabbing or helping stab her to death so he could rape her?

Italian Justice,
seen at it finest!

No way was "poor Rudy"
sentenced to some draconian punishment of 16 years
just imprisoned because he did not help to save Mez by yelling out for loud,
like Rudy says that Mez did, so loud that her scream coulda been heard in the street
from her bedroom whilst all the windows of her flat were, ah, still unbroken yet?
Ya know, the staging hadn't even happened yet!

Nor did The Guede-O
get them 16 years just because he did not simply call 118 for help
before he went out dancin' that night?

16 years???
http://web.archive.org/web/20101015...2/guedes-penalty-reduced-in-appeal-trial.html


Gotta opinion of this,
Vixen?
XXX,
RW

Your little Surfer Girl heroine was present at the murder when it happened. Why did she do nothing to help her friend (smart, funny, English)?

Randy do you think this is nice behaviour?

BTW Both Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda were given the same mitigation as Rudy, a reduction in sentence because of youth.

Who put the towel against Mez' neck, Randy? Got an opinion?

 

[Kauffer]

This issue has already been well-covered. As you already know. Please use the "search" facility.

The three text exchange between Amanda and Meredith reproduced by LJ from Halloween night is all there was.

You are a liar. And on this subject as with many others you have lied multiple times.

If I'm wrong, I've left the gate wide open for you to stroll through and humiliate me. Go right ahead, dear lady...if you can.

But you cannot.

 

[Grinder]

Not that anyone cares or should but I was suspicious of the case against Amanda from day one. When I read that she told them what they knew to be true and the story was so bizarre, sex games etc. I was very skeptical of what the police were doing.

I don't recall CD ever expressing a belief in guilt but I'm sure if she did it will be provided forthwith.

I don't recall the meet-up in either of kids' books. I only asked if there was source because with long tired PGP assertion that they didn't get along, one would think they would mention it if true. I thought Raf detailed when he had scene Meredith.

Why a request for a source would raise such anger is difficult to understand.

 

[Vixen]

No, in fact two more disgusting lies. Amanda was never "booked" for the party. She received a ticket for noise. Raffaele also never was arrested for drugs.

It is you that is making deliberately misleading statements. You said that Amanda and Raffaele both had "criminal" records when in fact NEITHER did.

Yes he was. In fact, Raff brags in Honor Bound of how he tried to fool the police in that matter, too.

 

[Vixen]

No, she didn't. You keep reading your own confirmation bias into events that much more likely have a different interpretation. You are convinced of Amanda's guilt so you color events to meet your preconception.But there is NO EVIDENCE that Amanda felt slighted. NONE.

This is a concept you refuse to learn. It is the responsibility of those suggesting guilt to prove events and conditions. You keep suggesting that Amanda felt slighted, yet there is NOTHING to confirm that. And what about Raffaele? You keep ignoring that he has no reason to dislike Meredith. Oh that's right, you made up this Manga fantasy for him.

What's really stupid about your logic, as if any of it is smart. You keep turning these college educated intelligent people into morons.

It's not my opinion. Mignini told the court he found Raff as being "icy cold".

Amanda made cruel, "Ew" and "bleughh" noises from the witness box about Mez' fatal wounds.

Not so much morons, more monsters.

 

[acbytesla]

Yes he was. In fact, Raff brags in Honor Bound of how he tried to fool the police in that matter, too.

At what point do you admit that you are lying? You said and I quote, That Amanda and Raffaele had criminal records at the time of the murder and NEITHER did,

 

[Vixen]

The noise ticket was a civil infraction. If you have ever parked for 5 minutes over a meter, jaywalked, gone 1 mph over the speed limit, you are as much a criminal as Amanda was.



I thought you said the Sollecito family's mafia connections corrupted the Supreme Court of Italy to spring him from the murder rap? Now you're saying he was just some chump? Your story seems to change to suit whatever you happen to be peddling at the moment. I definitely take that as a sign of a sincere and coherent poster lol

Having mafia connections and being a chump are not mutually exclusive. In fact, the two traits are directly proportional. It's a logical fallacy to state that having a lust for money = having a lot of money.

 

[Vixen]

At what point do you admit that you are lying? You said and I quote, That Amanda and Raffaele had criminal records at the time of the murder and NEITHER did,

Police cautions count as a criminal record, as it remains on police file.