Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

No, there are some things that are facts.

While it may be true that Meredith made a few negative comments about Amanda to the British girls, there is no evidence that she complained to her Italian roommates about Amanda other than the issue with the toilet brush. It is also a fact that Amanda and Meredith appeared to get along to the Italian girls.

There are no reports of loud arguments ever. And most importantly, there is no evidence that AMANDA didn't like Meredith. NONE.

There is also no motive for Raffaele. There is also, no real connection to Rudy.

Those are FACTS.

Yes, the merits courts did decree the motive was futile. It was a trivial motive - reenacting a vampire-slaying manga scene for Raff and cruel revenge by Amanda, for Mez having excluded her from the friends' halloween party - so in that respect, it had no more motive than Cho's Virginia Tech murder or Draper's Scream murder or even Klebold and Harris Columbine massacre. There was that psychopath who shot her class chums and teacher, picking them off like a sniper, "because I don't like Mondays".

Looking for a motive? With a psychopath, none needed.

 

[Desert Fox]

I feel sure Rudy had a disposable phone. It's quite common for ppl to do their petty crime (ticket touting, drug dealing, theft) on anonymised phones. If Mez had two phones - both legit, I should add - how do you know Rudy had none, and Amanda only had one?

So Amanda accidentally used the wrong phone to text the wrong person. . . . While I have never owned two phones at the same time, I have own a variety of phones over the years and cannot see myself doing it.

Actually I never stated that Guede did not have a cell phone just that there is no evidence that Amanda ever contacted him in any way.

 

[toto]

It's a girly thing. All bs.

The fact Mez blatantly snubbed Amanda - even with "love youxxxx" - should speak volumes.

Actions speak louder than words.

Bit nasty about Meredith, that comment.

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[Vixen]

The above specimen is a clear example of how someone doesn't mind slandering a murder victim if they think it suits their hate campaign against the defendant.

Vixen, just so as you know, your post describes Meredith as a person who was two faced and boring. I doubt she was, but your post characterises her that way. And you're only describing her that way because in your simple but hateful little mind you think its evidence that the two girls didn't get on. It isn't. If your anecdote was to be taken seriously, it would simply be evidence that Meredith was the type of girl who bitched about other girls behind their back. We have no descriptions of her behaviour with Amanda that are anything other than friendly, and we have no evidence that Amanda spoke badly about Meredith behind her back.

So basically, you've made a young woman who was brutally murdered sound very unlikeable. Go you.

Actually, unlike Amanda, Mez was extremely likeable, popular, considerate, polite and with lots of friends.

Her making an effort to rub along with her psycho roommate and avoid arguments and ill-feeling, shows just what a remarkably nice person Mez was. It reveals how Amanda's mean and spiteful envy must have been triggered by this exceptionally talented person Mez was.

 

[Vixen]

My message was targeted at Vixen, adding to what you stated.
Basically, we cannot trust John Kercher to be in any way objective with regards to Amanda and Meredeth being friends.

John Kercher is a sharp, shrewd journalist absolutely on the ball as to who is responsible for the atrocity that happened to his dear daughter. How dare you claim he is untrustworthy?

 

[Vixen]

You gotta feel for John Kercher. It's hard enough to lose a daughter, but to be deceived by the prosecutors about the facts and to be yanked around like this. I'm sure Mignini etc. told them there was no doubt that A&K were involved. I'm sure he quickly learned to hate the kids with the fire of a thousand suns. You can't just turn something like that off.

The biggest deceivers of all are the paid advertisers hired to perpetrate innocence fraud.

Lying about soap powder is one thing, but pretending a criminal is innocent is the ultimate unethical and immoral act.

 

[Vixen]

I don't hate him just like I don't hate the parents of Michele Moore-Bosko thinking the Norfolk Four killed their daughter. I just believe he is wrong and leave it at that.

LOL How very charitable of you. I am sure John Kercher values your forbearance.

 

[Vixen]

I have felt admittedly felt angry towards them, but it's over now. I just hope they can heal now.

Who are you to feel angry at Mez' parents? The sheer arrogance: sheeesh!

 

[Vixen]

In terms of law in many countries appeal courts may only overrule on "points of law". Some countries confine this limitation to the state only.

It is a fine line for courts but "they were not at the scene of the crime" is a point of law (it is a legal nonsense to guilty of an act of murder when the parties were not at the scene).

The "suspicion" that AK/RS were at the house (however ludicrously small) is a lower court finding which creates a "point of fact" (don't get me started on the meaningless translation of "judicial truth"). The "point of fact" remains as a legality, but only as a "suspicion". It should not necessarily be read to be an endorsement of the lower court finding.

The ISC merely repeats the suspicion (point of fact) but overrules the finding of guilt because on a point of law AK/RS cannot have committed a murder in absentia.

Machiavelli, you are twisting the way things work to make the sensible sound ridiculous. It is either ignorance or a failure to admit your failing, that drives you.

You are completely wrong. Charles Manson was not at the scene of the murders, but guilty nonetheless.

 

[Vixen]

I know that you'd never lie, but I'm a tad confused about this flight Meredith supposedly had taken back to England where she was complaining about Amanda the entire way?

As I recall, Amanda returned from Germany and moved in, and then met Meredith for the 1st time in the last few weeks of September. Meredith was killed about 6 weeks later on Nov 1st.

When Meredith was killed, she was preparing to fly home for a visit in a few days, but that trip home of course never happened. It seems doubtful that Meredith would have flown home in October with her early November trip home already scheduled?

So then, you're claiming that some time in October 2007, that Meredith had enough time to get disgusted with Amanda, and that Meredith then flew back to England sometime in October complaining about Amanda the entire way?

About 2 weeks before she was murdered Amanda & Meredith went to the chocolate festival together. The next week Amanda & Meredith attended a concert together, where Amanda met Raffaele.

Funny that Meredith's family never mentioned all that you now claim when they testified back in 2009? (See below article).

The only things negative the Kerchers had said about Amanda, was that she sang too much, and they also mentioned the toilet-brush incident.

In her testimony Meredith's mom described their relationship as being, "all right.”

John Kercher also testified that Meredith had told him she was surprised that Amanda found a boyfriend so quickly, but I guess John Kercher didn't know Meredith was bonking the guy downstairs?

Based upon the testimony of the Kerchers, it appears that it was Amanda who didn't want to hang around with Meredith's English girlfriends instead of the other way around:

Mez flew home on a visit and Amanda herself claimed to tecs she thought Mez' locked door was because she might be in England.

If Amanda is so innocent and so nice, how come she tore out all the pages for October, including the chocolate festival, out of her diary.

Something to hide, perchance???!!!!

 

[Vixen]

Machiavelli is trying his best to cloud the sms from Amanda to Lumumba with his usual BS.

Mach said " the sms text: Knox did not write "see you later", she wrote "ci vediamo più tardi".

Sorry, but Amanda wrote just as I used to say to people I expected to see in next few days.... 'ci vediamo piu tardi' I could have used ci vediamo tra poco, ( see you soon) or ci vediamo dopo...another version of see you later.
The literal Italian translation of 'ci vediamo piu tardi' to English is...'see you later'. This has been covered, endlessly!
The fact Machiavelli and more importantly, the Italian investigators could NOT understand how an English speaker new to the Italian language could translate an English phrase into Italian 'literally' is scary! And that one simple misunderstanding created 8 years of absolute horror. That Machiavelli is still perpetuating this merda is disgusting.

You are factually wrong.

 

[Vixen]

Sadly, John Kercher 's book was full of errors and blatant lies. And Vixen, you covering YOUR ears and singing la la blardy la will never contradict this fact. A lesson here:

http://injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=39734#p39734

Claim you.

 

[Vixen]

So Amanda accidentally used the wrong phone to text the wrong person. . . . While I have never owned two phones at the same time, I have own a variety of phones over the years and cannot see myself doing it.

Actually I never stated that Guede did not have a cell phone just that there is no evidence that Amanda ever contacted him in any way.

I did say it was just my hunch.

 

[Vixen]

Bit nasty about Meredith, that comment.

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It's called "tact".

 

[Desert Fox]

John Kercher is a sharp, shrewd journalist absolutely on the ball as to who is responsible for the atrocity that happened to his dear daughter. How dare you claim he is untrustworthy?

In this case, he is a grieving father and everything is colored by that. because of the inept police work, he sees Amanda Knox as being responsible for the murder of his daughter. Cannot see past that.

 

[Desert Fox]

I did say it was just my hunch.

This is a skeptic board and skeptics generally really dislike hunches. What does the evidence show? There is no evidence of any contact between Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede except maybe passing by each other in a party where they said hi.

 

[RWVBWL]

It's a Girly Thing?

It's a girly thing. All bs.

The fact Mez blatantly snubbed Amanda - even with "love youxxxx" - should speak volumes.

Actions speak louder than words.

It's a Girly Thing?
Hmmmm...

Hi Vixen,
In my parta the World,
it's gettin' light, the dudes + dude-etttes are paddlin' out mere yards away from where I type,
pitting their skills against the Pacific Ocean in the hopes of snaggin' a ride and diggin' it!

Heck,
even I sometimes still like to do this too,
as seen here in a photograph of The RW
captured by Mel as I did a lil' noseridin' the other mornin'
as the sun 1st arose on a beach in Los Angeles:

Yea!!!


Many surfers now arrivin' at the beach come with friends.
These bro's + bro-ettes mighta already stopped by at their local Starbucks,
Coffee Bean or local coffee house and grabbed a cup of coffee as before they drove to the beach.

Vixen,
Would you travel to the beach and get a cup of coffee
with a girl that you disliked immensely, a girl that you can not stand?



Vixen,
You do know that on October 30,
the day before Halloween,
Meredith + 1 of her English gal pals
joined Amanda and [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE] at La Tana to drink some wine that night, right?
Even though Mez hated Amanda,
as you always put it...
Pfffft.

Or would you take a ball point pen
and draw a fake tattoo on a girl you couldn't stand?
Or send an X to a girl you can not stand?

Maybe you are right.
It is a girly thing!?!
What crap...

RW

 

[Vixen]

It's a Girly Thing?
What crap...

Hi Vixen,
In my parta the World,
it's gettin' light, the dudes + dude-etttes are paddlin' out mere yards away from where I type,
pitting their skills against the Pacific Ocean in the hopes of snaggin' a ride and diggin' it!

Heck,
even I sometimes still like to do this too,
as seen here in a surfpix of The RW
photographed by Mel the other mornin' as the sun 1st arose
on a beach in Los Angeles:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=480&pictureid=10095[/qimg]
Yea!!!


Many surfers arrivin' at the beach come with friends.
These bro's + bro-ettes mighta already stopped by at their local Starbucks,
Coffee Bean or local coffee house and grabbed a cup of coffee as before they drove to the beach.

Vixen,
Would you travel to the beach and get a cup of coffee
with a girl that you disliked immensely, a girl that you can not stand?



Vixen,
You do know that on October 30,
the day before Halloween,
Meredith + 1 of her English gal pals
joined Amanda and [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE] at La Tana to drink some wine that night, right?
Even though Mez hated Amanda,
as you always put it...
Pfffft.

Or would you take a ball point pen
and draw a fake tattoo on a girl you couldn't stand?
Or send an X to a girl you can not stand?
Maybe you are right, it's a girly thing!?!

RW

I am sure Mez didn't hate Amanda, it was Amanda's conduct that upset her.

Why do you think she avoided inviting Amanda to the halloween do?

I've often gone out in a group, as part of a granfalloon, e.g., a colleague's leaving do, a bunch of us cousins, accountants networking, etc. Of course, there will always be ppl you like more than others. Going out as a granfalloon, in this case, having a drink in a wine bar with roommates, doesn't really imply you are great friends. It's just circumstance. Like going to lunch with a work colleague.

It means nothing much, "Mez had a drink with Amanda".

ETA When I worked in the City it was full of girly crap.

ETA2. I have to admit being terribly jealous of you on the beach surfing. However, I was glad to be in church this morning giving thanks for my incredibly good fortune.

 

[RWVBWL]

I am sure Mez didn't hate Amanda,
it was Amanda's conduct that upset her.

Why do you think she avoided inviting Amanda to the halloween do?

I've often gone out in a group, as part of a granfalloon, e.g., a colleague's leaving do, a bunch of us cousins, accountants networking, etc. Of course, there will always be ppl you like more than others. Going out as a granfalloon, in this case, having a drink in a wine bar with roommates, doesn't really imply you are great friends. It's just circumstance. Like going to lunch with a work colleague.

It means nothing much, "Mez had a drink with Amanda".

ETA When I worked in the City it was full of girly crap.

A room mate and her gal pal,
and another room mate with her new [SIZE="-7"]boyfriend[/SIZE],
who had also cooked lunch for Meredith and the house mates earlier,
is not the same as having lunch with some work colleagues, dear Vixen.

Where you are paid $$$$ to work with them.
And will probably at some point have a lunch with them...

But hmmmm,
lets hang out after work and get drunk?
You bring your [SIZE="-7"]boyfriend[/SIZE],
I'll bring a chick friend?



Spending my free time hangin' with some dude I hate
or that I am annoyed with,
on my own FREE TIME
does not co-agulate,
err make sense, or whatever it is
the **** I'm tryin' to say, ok?


Maybe it is a Girly Thing?!?

I gotta go,
the sun just peeked above the mountains
along Pacific Coast Highway,
the colors are insane!!!

It's time to shoot some surfpix!!!
Bye, bye, sweet Vixen!
XXX,
RW

 

[toto]

It's called "tact".

You called it b.s.


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