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Explosions in Tianjin, China

Wolfman said:
True...but the destruction from a nuclear bomb blast isn't just from the blast, it's also from radiation. Someone fairly close to this blast could, conceivably, survive if they had adequate shelter; whereas someone close to a nuclear blast will be dead regardless.
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If you've got enough shielding to stop the blast, you've got enough shielding to protect you against most of the radiation. Fallout is what you need to worry about regarding radiation, not the initial blast (unless it's a neutron bomb, but those have low blast yields).
 
Mike! said:
Bankrupt? Only if they are very lucky. It's China, anyone found to be at fault will likely be shot.
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No one will be shot because, you know, it's China ;): China imposes harsher punishment to ensure workplace safety (that was one year ago). Quotes:
CCTV said:
The amendment further increased fines for enterprises involved in serious workplace accidents from the maximum of 5 million yuan (810,000 U.S. dollars) proposed in its original draft to 20 million yuan.
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Managers in charge of such enterprises who are found to have failed in their duty to ensure safety will also now be fined between 30 and 80 percent of their annual income corresponding to losses in the accidents.

This is a massive raise compared with the former law, under which managers faced fines between 20,000 yuan and 200,000 yuan.

The revised law states that managers responsible for "serious" and "extremely serious" accidents will be banned from serving as principals in enterprises in the same industry.
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It identifies "extremely serious accidents" as those that kill more than 30 people, seriously injure 100, or result in over 100 million yuan in direct economic losses.

According to the revised law, enterprises responsible for accidents which lead to even greater losses than "extremely serious accidents" will face fines between 10 million yuan and 20 million yuan
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So the harshest penalty in this recently revised Chinese law is bankruptcy and a ban from any senior job in the same industry.
 
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Alphaba said:
No one will be shot because, you know, it's China ;): China imposes harsher punishment to ensure workplace safety (that was one year ago). Quotes:

So the harshest penalty in this recently revised Chinese law is bankruptcy and a ban from any senior job in the same industry.
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My goodness, you really don't know how the Chinese gov't works, do you?

This is the minimum punishment. It is a clarification and elaboration of previous laws which didn't have clear minimum punishments, allowing people with enough connections to get away with little or no punishment. Now, at the very least, this will be their punishment.

However, the maximum punishments include life imprisonment, and the death penalty. In 2008, two executives who were responsible for companies that sold tainted powdered milk, that caused illness in many infants and the deaths of six, were executed. Three others received life sentences. That was on top of the various fines and other punishments given to them. In that case, only six people died, and the economic damage was fairly minimal.

In this case, we have more than 85 people dead, some of them firefighters who died heroically trying to fight the fire and save lives. We have hundreds of millions of dollars in economic damage.

Heads are going to roll. Guaranteed. Personally, I think that we'll also see some gov't officials executed (or at least put in prison for life) for corruption that led to allowing sub-standard safety practices.
 
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More fires today and more explosions (though minor). One survivor found 150 meters from ground zero hiding in a storage container. Lots of people evacuated due to fears of harmful chemicals.

http://news.yahoo.com/death-toll-china-blasts-rises-85-xinhua-021753336.html

steve s said:
On the radio earlier they said the warehouse stored Calcium Carbide which reacts explosively when exposed to water. The firefighters may have inadvertently caused the explosion when they sprayed water on the fire.

Steve S
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Looks like a strong possibility this was the catalyst to start the explosions. From the article:

After Wednesday's blasts, fire crews were criticized for using water to douse flames which may have contributed to the blasts given the volatile nature of the chemicals involved.
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Media have said such fire fighters in China, often only on two-year contracts, lack training as new recruits.
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rjh01 said:
Here is a picture of how powerful the two nuclear blasts that hit Japan in WW2.

[qimg]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Abombdamage1945.svg[/qimg]
Now compare that with this disaster. I think they are not too much different in size.

Reference for the picture is (this is a condition of hotlinking).

"Abombdamage1945". Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abombdamage1945.svg#/media/File:Abombdamage1945.svg
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I don't think so. Even within the immediate area of the blast destruction wasn't "total", not in the sense of the Atomic Bombs, and at distances of 2-3km the damage was incredibly minor - we're talking shattered windows and things. At Hiroshima you got that sort of damage 12 miles out from the hypocenter. Nagasaki wasn't as widespread because the surrounding hills contained the blast a bit, but destruction was more severe within the blast zone.

At Tianjin you've got apartment buildings 600m south of the blast site that remained standing and suffered only broken windows. If it had been Hiroshima or Nagasaki those buildings would have been obliterated. The massive lot of cars is certainly "destroyed", but had it been the atomic bombs those cars would have been vapourised.
 
This is probably the clearest video of the explosions, starts with the first explosion at (0:18?), the second one takes place at (0:52?).

According to the note on youtube the person holding the camera and their friends were watching meteorites when it all started. Warning, lots of swearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1q3HwB0y0

As a side note, those explosions look like Hollywood, I'd predict that CT forums are buzzing with claims that that is exactly what they are.
 
Graham2001 said:
This is probably the clearest video of the explosions, starts with the first explosion at (0:18?), the second one takes place at (0:52?).

According to the note on youtube the person holding the camera and their friends were watching meteorites when it all started. Warning, lots of swearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1q3HwB0y0

As a side note, those explosions look like Hollywood, I'd predict that CT forums are buzzing with claims that that is exactly what they are.
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Great video. Shows that the explosion was big. Many tons of TNT equivalent.
 
rjh01 said:
Great video. Shows that the explosion was big. Many tons of TNT equivalent.
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Yeah, but it definitely was not a nuke as I've heard some people were claiming, the person who took the video I posted previously uploaded a video shot during daylight showing the damage where they were (According to them about 1km away.)

I don't think the building would be standing if it were a nuke, even of the 'dial-a-yield' kind.

This one does not have as much 'zoom' as the previous one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naqgHE9P4tc
 
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