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Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Vixen said:
Most EU countries provide "income support" for qualifying persons who do not have the necessary National Insurance contributions, which is means tested. This is a safety net that obviates anyone actually starving or being forced into burglary.
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Not in Umbria in 2007. Not anywhere in Italy in 2007 for 21 year olds. I've posted the rules for benefits for Italy. Use them.
 
Vixen said:
His dad, Roger, was some kind of IT developer, which might explain the IT equipment Rudy accumulated, according to the Spanish woman.
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Ahahahahahaha! This one's really funny! Yeah, it's entirely plausible to think that the reason there was loads of computer equipment in Guede's place was either that he was accumulating this equipment for his own personal use, or that he was acting as a legitimate reseller of this sort of equipment!

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha :D
 
acbytesla said:
Thank you for addressing my questions.
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welcome

We'll never know just how active Rudy was as a burglar. You know it, so do I. There are in fact only "trails" to other burglaries. So we are all speculating. And while it wouldn't surprise me that Koko was involved, I don't believe he was there inside the cottage. Maybe he was transportation or a lookout...although this seems a stretch to me since he didn't do a good job.
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Ah he is an Albanian drug dealer maybe not always the best worker. Since nobody was caught that night, how did he do a bad job?

Rudy seems to fit the profile of what the FBI calls a "sexual burglar". The burglary is as much a thrill as it is done for profit. Serial killers for example are more likely to have committed burglaries than any other criminal offense. The FBI considers them to be the most dangerous type of burglar. The descriptions of the crime scene at the law office, the nursery, the cottage and Diaz all fit that profile.
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There you go again. First of all profiling has been widely debunked AFAIK. This is a little similar to Giobbi and his profiling of the kids. Rudi isn't a serial killer or are you adding that to the list? In the law office some clothes were thrown over the glass and maybe they ate something.

The logical leap here is Olympian. Maybe the same guy that broke into the lawyers' office and the Diaz (you still me proof that anything happened there much less than it was Rudi) was someone else :eek:

Most burglars work to minimize the amount of time in a victim's place. Get in and Get out. But all of these crimes, the burglar took their time, making food taking a dump, etc. which fits the "sexual burglar" profile. Also "sexual burglars" are almost always
loners.

It wouldn't surprise me that Koko had been someone Rudy committed burglaries with, but probably not these burglaries. Who wants a partner that takes these kind of chances?
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It seems Rudi wasn't a loner at all. He was always hanging with people. The boys, the Spanish kids, his "friend" that Skyped him and the other guys that told tales.

Your descriptions of burglars is a little like showing pictures of the victim. I'm sure there are very nasty people but that doesn't Rudi was one.

So in sum, Rudi was social not a loner, he slept over at the nursery when on trek, he was at the cottage for only a few minutes before Mez showed and there is zero on the Diaz case.

I also don't buy the fence idea. Rudy doesn't have a phone, a vehicle or even Internet sccess. Who is going to buy stuff from a guy you can't even contact?[/QUOTE]
 
Kauffer said:
Not in Umbria in 2007. Not anywhere in Italy in 2007 for 21 year olds. I've posted the rules for benefits for Italy. Use them.
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Furthermore, it appears that Vixen didn't even follow the debate around benefits for immigrants or EU migrants that took place during the recent UK General Election. That debate in itself would have put paid to her ridiculous (and totally unsupported) claims about universal safety net benefits. Oh dear. It's really getting embarrassing now.
 
Vixen said:
Citation, please. Or would we be correct in assuming once again, this is pure conjecture on your part?

The Caporali's DID petition for adoption.
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You're asking for citations???

You know what happens when you're asked for citations?

Nothing happens?
 
Vixen said:
Hello? The attribution is, "Jack Butler".
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The Known Story of Rudy Guede author Patrick King

According to Nina Burliegh, author of A Fatal Gift of Beauty: The Trials of Amanda Knox, Rudy Hermann Guede was born on Christmas Eve, 1985 in Agou, a town on the Ivory Coast of Africa near the city of Abidjan. His father, Roger Guede, was from the Bete clan, a Christian tribe on the Ivory Coast where the culture is strongly divided between Christian and Muslim. Although a Cristian, Roger Guede was a practicing polygamist and Rudy has a half brother remaining in Agou, born within weeks of Rudy’s own birth.

Rudy’s mother seems not to have been maternal. Rudy was sent as an infant to live with his father’s sister, Georgette, who was his only real parent. Rudy’s mother never had any other children and makes her living today as a novelty merchant in an Abidjan bizarre.

The Ivory Coast is a French speaking area of Africa, so Rudy was raised until he was 5, speaking French and patois.

Roger Guede’s father was a ranking officer in the Ivory Coast military. Roger had a talent for numbers and was training in a college for mathematics when his father died suddenly. After his father’s death, there were not sufficient funds for Roger to continue his education. He was bitterly disappointed and came to believe if he could immigrate to Russia he would be able to complete his degree with government assistance from that country. He was not, however, able to secure a Russian visa.

Someone advised him that a Russian visa might be easier to obtain if he fist immigrated to Italy. Roger arrived in Italy in November of 1987, but quickly realized that he would not be allowed to go to Russia. Roger enrolled in a school for masonry, became a stone mason and brick layer and has made a good living at these trades for 20 years. He owns several houses and real estate on the Ivory Coast paid for with the money he earns at his trade in Italy.

Roger brought Rudy to live in Perugia in 1990, when Rudy was 5. He apparently had little interest in the child. Rudy’s teacher, Ivana Tiberi, noticed that the little boy came to school in winter dressed in only a tee shirt and shorts. Mrs. Tiberi, on meeting Roger Guede, decided that he was too immature to take care of a child and organized teachers and parents to take turns caring for Rudy after school until his father finished work. They also purchased clothes for the boy, especially his all-important suit for First Communion. Mrs. Tiberi’s son, Gabriel, ten years older than Rudy, was like a brother to him and apparently cared deeply about him. He says of Rudy today, that he had many friends and many people loved him. He sites that Rudy was polite, never expressed anger, was melancholic and non-violent.

These people who loved him, however, apparently did not include his father. Roger punished Rudy by locking him out of the house. The child could frequently be seen wandering the streets of Perugia late at night. Rudy has also accused his father of physical abuse, beating him with a stick for example. At the time of Rudy’s arrest for the Kercher murder, his jailers were instructed to deny his father any access to him.

Rudy found substitute father figures in the priest who officiated at his First Communion, and several basketball coaches who recognized innate talent for that sport in the child.

In 1997, at age 12, Rudy returned to Abidjan to vacation with his mother. Whatever occurred during that trip, Rudy afterwards refused to ever go back.

In 2004, Roger returned to the Ivory Coast for a brief vacation, and lost his passport. He became entangled in a Muslim uprising against Christians, narrowly avoided execution, and was unable to return to Italy for 7 months.

During this time, Rudy was supposed to be living in Italy with Roger’s common-law wife but the two did not like each other. The wife had several small children of her own and had little time for an uncooperative teenager. Rudy was enrolled in a vocational high school for the hotel industry. He stopped coming home at night and he stopped going to school.

There’s no suggestion what Rudy was doing at this time or who he was with when he left home. Once again Ivana Tiberi stepped in to help him. She introduced Rudy to Paolo Barbini, coach of Perugia’s semipro basketball team. Rudy became a valuable asset to the team. From his jail cell he wrote this letter to Barbini which Ms. Burleigh uses as a chapter introduction:

“What can I say of the games we won and lost together? It was great when we went to the away games in the Mitico minibus. There was laughter on board with Segoloni, who called me “Little Chocolate.” God. What beautiful moments… I remember also from that time that I knew that little all-black dog that you found abandoned and took to your house and that often I took him for a walk… What can I say, Paolo? It would be a lot to remember, but these pages wouldn’t be enough… I thank you, Paolo, your Wife and Son… Your Son Francesco (THE BROTHER I WOULD HAVE WANTED TO HAVE). And that little black dog.”

Through his work on the basketball team Rudy became friends with the son of wealthy entrepreneur, Paolo Caporali, owner of the Liomatic Vending Company, a company that made and maintained vending machines primarily for coffee. Caporali was the wealthiest person in Perugia and Liomatic owned the basketball team, and the gym in which they played and practiced. Rudy became friends with the children, who, after becoming familiar with Rudy’s circumstances, petitioned their father to adopt Rudy until he turned 18. Rudy was 16 at this time.
 
Oh and Guede's natural father, Roger, was a bricklayer, stonemason and minor property developer. Not an IT developer. But apart from that......... :D
 
Dan O. said:
Nencini appears to be talking about a recent disclosure that the standard euro locks can be broken and removed with simple tools. I have seen this widely reported in the last year but never came across it when I first started looking into this case. That Rudy was caught and searched only two weeks prior and not found in possession of a substantial screwdriver should be an indication that Rudy was not a break the lock type of burgler. The technique may not have been that widely known in 2007.
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If, as Numbers asserts, Rudy was caught with a small hammer, of the type seen in public transport, to break glass "in case of fire", then it would appear Rudy knew of the need to break glass noiselessly, not with a massive crashing boulder.

So not a "wake up the entire neighbourhood" rookie burglar, either.
 
LondonJohn said:
Oh and Guede's natural father, Roger, was a bricklayer, stonemason and minor property developer. Not an IT developer. But apart from that......... :D
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It sounds like he wanted nothing to do with Rudy. Guess he gave him a bunch of computers because of that? Not making much sense to me.
 
Vixen said:
If, as Numbers asserts, Rudy was caught with a small hammer, of the type seen in public transport, to break glass "in case of fire", then it would appear Rudy knew of the need to break glass noiselessly, not with a massive crashing boulder.

So not a "wake up the entire neighbourhood" rookie burglar, either.
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You cannot genuinely be this clueless. Such hammers are characteristically used by burglars to clear out remaining pieces of glass in an already broken window, so as not to cut themselves as they gain entry.
 
js202 said:
You cannot genuinely be this clueless. Such hammers are characteristically used by burglars to clear out remaining pieces of glass in an already broken window, so as not to cut themselves as they gain entry.
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It's like saying a carpenter only needs one saw and no hammer.

The little hammer which Prato describes as being found wouldn't have done the job needed at the cottage.
 
Vixen said:
"It is better to give than to receive." ~ Jesus
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Wrong again. The wording is "blessed" or "more satisfying" not "better".

Also Jesus never said this, not directly. It was said of him that he said this.

Wrong again, Vixen.
 
Vixen said:
If, as Numbers asserts, Rudy was caught with a small hammer, of the type seen in public transport, to break glass "in case of fire", then it would appear Rudy knew of the need to break glass noiselessly, not with a massive crashing boulder.

So not a "wake up the entire neighbourhood" rookie burglar, either.
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He wanted to wake up the residents of the flat, if they were in. Think about it. I discussed the matter with a couple of real former burglars a couple of years ago. Their point was that they don't want confrontation. Not good for business.
 
Grinder said:
It's like saying a carpenter only needs one saw and no hammer.

The little hammer which Prato describes as being found wouldn't have done the job needed at the cottage.
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Again, much like the infamously absurd Michael, this hammer with whom we are presently dealing is hellbent on seeing a nail. Even when it may be a pillow or a corncob pipe.
 
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