Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Katody Matrass]

Nothing about the washing machine? I was hoping at least for some developments on the evil conspiracy to remove all mentions of this serious evidence from the trial transcripts and Massei...

 

[Chris_Halkides]

mixed DNA is a common forensic occurrence

Mixed DNA, which is reasonable to infer is derived from blood, or some other bodily fluid that mixes before drying.

Vixen,

Mixed DNA can come from anything, not just blood, and it can be deposited at any time, not just simultaneously. I can think of two examples offhand where the mixed DNA has been found that could not possibly have been deposited at the same time. One comes from DNA profiling that involves forensic work done in mortuaries, and the other comes from a study of DNA and bedding. Link to my discussion of mixed DNA here.

 

[Kauffer]

Don't put words in my mouth. All of the quality press reported both in the earliest days - Nov 2007 - and from live court testimony that the washing machine could be heard just completing a cycle and Filomena testified the washing machine was still warm when she arrived.

You infer Amanda turned it on, but perhaps you should think twice before applying to join the Flying Squad.

Then produce the court testimony specifically that refers to the washing machine finishing its cycle, or produce one news report referring to such testimony.

Or drop your claim. It's a very simple matter.

 

[Numbers]

Is there any independent method to verify the origin of reps 176 & 177? Could Stefanoni have "accidentally" misattributed their origin?

(I'm sure her original data on this is safely stored with the EDFs.)

Is there any credible or objective evidence that luminol was applied in Filomena's bedroom? It seems to me that if the police had obtained any hits there, they would want to show them in support of their staging hypothesis.

 

[Katody Matrass]

Don't put words in my mouth. All of the quality press reported both in the earliest days - Nov 2007 - and from live court testimony that the washing machine could be heard just completing a cycle and Filomena testified the washing machine was still warm when she arrived.

You infer Amanda turned it on, but perhaps you should think twice before applying to join the Flying Squad.

You say it wasn't her? How original! Can't wait to hear your theory.

Btw maybe it's time to learn the lesson that "quality press" is no replacement for real sources.

 

[Grinder]

Bulletin: Certain anonymous ISF posters will be notifying US Federal and State judges on the proper use of the word "framing".

Well it obviously won't be you.

 

[Numbers]

Is there any credible or objective evidence that luminol was applied in Filomena's bedroom? It seems to me that if the police had obtained any hits there, they would want to show them in support of their staging hypothesis.

While previously I had speculated (to myself) that reps 176 & 177 may have been the result of contamination by police booties (shoe covers) when the police walked through Filomena's room, I now speculate that the results may have come from a common area, and may or may not be from police shoe cover contamination.

 

[Grinder]

Why did Filomena not call the police? She was a native Italian speaker, her room had been broken into, she was 'in charge' of the flat, she was a trainee lawyer. Instead she decided to come over and remove property from the crime scene? Now that is suspicious behaviour.

It truly is odd that F would ask A to call. At least she should have asked for R to call.

 

[Vixen]

If the scene Amanda had encountered on her FIRST visit had included knowledge of the break in, then she would have deserved a funny look. But she cannot have found it then. It's perfectly obvious.

The fact that Amanda calls Romanelli immediately after she leaves the cottage, and alerts her to 'strange things', demonstrates she has nothing to hide and is not engaged in any subterfuge.

You really need to understand, that since only Amanda and Raffaele knew she went to the cottage, nobody else could know about it unless she chose to tell them.

A guilty Amanda would have left, returned to Raffaele's, gone to Gubbio and let the murder be discovered in the normal course of events by someone else, thus placing distance between her and the crime scene.

Somebody here - it might even have been your own good self - posted a photo of Laura's room, which Amanda confirms herself to Mignini, was "ajar". In this picture, Laura's drawer is hanging out.

Therefore, being a small apartment, Amanda cannot failed to have seen it.

As you saw in Raf's private Prison Diary, which was sequestered by the prosecution, he clearly affirms, "Molly's door was wide open".

 

[Numbers]

Bulletin: Certain anonymous ISF posters will be notifying US Federal and State judges on the proper use of the word "framing".

Well it obviously won't be you.

Your statement is unfair. I am thinking about writing to all US judges to get them to be more precise in their use of language.

 

[Grinder]

Re this: I've long suspected that Guede actually did have a mobile phone in the period leading up to the murder (and during/shortly after the murder). I think it's difficult to imagine that a wide boy such as Guede, with his obvious links to the Perugia black market, and a seeming sideline in dealing, wouldn't have been able to get hold of a mobile phone. Indeed, I suspect he would have seen the possession of a mobile as a necessity - both for status reasons and for practical reasons.

I therefore suspect that Guede was savvy enough about mobile phone technology to believe that it would be possible for the police to trace his movements on the night of the murder. And if he'd made or received any calls or texts, then there is indeed a reasonable chance that his location could have been roughly tracked (assuming also that his mobile was not GSM-enabled, which it almost certainly was not).

So I think that Guede very probably threw away his mobile phone for that very reason, and obtained a new handset and SIM (or switched to another phone and SIM that he already had, but had not been using on the night of the murder). I suspect that the police didn't follow up on this properly. For example, had they obtained Egbaria's records, they could have figured out the number that Guede was using on 27th October, and tried to follow the SIM linked to that number on the night of the murder.

Koko threw away 2 phones that night and a jar of olives IIRC. I still think he was the driver. He left for 2 months to see if the crack PLE figured anything out. Maybe one of the phones was one Rudi had.

 

[Vixen]

Luca was not a stranger to Romanelli! Why do you make these silly points?

Luca was the boyfriend of Marco's sister.

He was a stranger to the house, Mez, Raf and Amanda.

But you already knew that.

 

[Bill Williams]

Is there any credible or objective evidence that luminol was applied in Filomena's bedroom? It seems to me that if the police had obtained any hits there, they would want to show them in support of their staging hypothesis.

Forensicly speaking - what is remarkable about Filomena's room is how much it was ignored by investigators. True, the upstairs of the cottage became pretty contaminated very quickly - with the possible exceptions of Meredith's room, as well as MK/AK's bathroom.

But given the role that Filomena's room played in guilter/prosecution mythology, one would think that 1/3 of those 10,000 pages of court testimony/exhibits were of Filomena's room.

Prior to the horrible discovery of what lay behind Meredith's door, both Knox and Filomena were allowed access to their respective rooms, and what was photographed later on was the result of Filomena being allowed to "rummage" through her room, the presumed-site of the abortive burglary.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

an unreliable and invalid result

In a recent article in the New Scientist Greg Hampikian wrote about the knife, "The debate was about whether or not that single result was reliable. For any scientific procedure, it is crucial to know how often it gets things wrong as well as right. In Knox's case, the DNA on the blade came from so few molecules that analytical instruments were pushed to read below the level that the FBI, my lab, or anyone I knew would go. We asked the Italian lab to supply validation of such a sensitive measurement, but they never complied."

 

[LondonJohn]

Luca was the boyfriend of Marco's sister.

He was a stranger to the house, Mez, Raf and Amanda.

But you already knew that.

Ah well hang on. What about the antique trombone that Sollecito was seen (and heard) playing in the large bathroom? And of course you know the piece of music he was playing? The third (adagio) movement of Rimsky-Korsakov's second trombone concerto of course. Nobody can fail to draw the obvious inference: Sollecito must have been involved in the clean-up.

 

[Bill Williams]

Mixed DNA, which is reasonable to infer is derived from blood, or some other bodily fluid that mixes before drying.

Vixen,

Mixed DNA can come from anything, not just blood, and it can be deposited at any time, not just simultaneously. I can think of two examples offhand where the mixed DNA has been found that could not possibly have been deposited at the same time. One comes from DNA profiling that involves forensic work done in mortuaries, and the other comes from a study of DNA and bedding. Link to my discussion of mixed DNA here.

Vixen is a virtual study in the repetition of TJMK factoids. Vixen here is making veiled reference to the "mixed blood" factoid that Harry Rag/The Machine used to carpet-bomb newspaper comments' section with for years. IIRC even Harry Rag/The Machine has now dropped this claim, because.... well, because it is so silly.

 

[Matthew Best]

Vixen is a virtual study in the repetition of TJMK factoids.

She is just trying to stay on topic for this subforum: reading her posts is a "trial" because she makes sure they are full of "errors".

 

[Grinder]

Nothing about the washing machine? I was hoping at least for some developments on the evil conspiracy to remove all mentions of this serious evidence from the trial transcripts and Massei...

I don't know how you missed it but there wasn't room to mention it in an unlimited length report. It wasn't as important as discussions about Amanda's post crime behavior or how the girls met. Heck it wasn't as important as what clothes were in it even though nothing in it meant anything.

 

[Vixen]

In a recent article in the New Scientist Greg Hampikian wrote about the knife, "We asked the Italian lab to supply validation of such a sensitive measurement, but they never complied."

Hampikan is on the defense pay roll. Of course, he will report whatever his paymasters want him to report. Sadly, this compromises his scientific ethics.

Someone claiming to be an academic, immediately becomes an agent of anyone who sponsors him to write a report.

We have pro-smoking or pro-sugar "expert" witnesses writing reports in support of their pay masters, the tobacco industry or the sugar industry, for example.

IMV it is a form of intellectual prostitution.

In my profession it would be seen as a breach of professional ethics to be bought off.

 

[Vixen]

It truly is odd that F would ask A to call. At least she should have asked for R to call.

Filomena didn't ask Amanda to call the police. She TOLD her to, if she was worried.