Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

Filomena said there was no dryer, they used a clothes horse to hang the clothes for drying. I think you can see it in the evidence pictures (hallway IIRC). She said on nice days they would set it outside on the terrace with clothes on it to dry. (see her testimony)

And the point you are making is..?

 

[Vixen]

Yes of course, and many of us could imagine our bedroom being photographed for the world to study unexpectedly, and being in defensive mode. This is no excuse for any of these people to let Amanda be kidnapped and buried, and then never contacted again. Plague on all their houses.

I see. So you don't believe Rudy ransacked the place, it was untidy Filomena, herself.

Where were Amanda's friends? Not even boyfriend Raf was willing to give her an alibi.

 

[Vixen]

I don't know why you guys are being so harsh. Me and Grinder are ready to flip over to the other side just as soon as the washing machine results show up. The case is already looking pretty damning what with Raf's foot print being on the bath mat and Filomena's door being closed, open and/or ajar. Then there are all the Richard Owen reports and to cap it all, the unbreakable TJMK sources.

So in other words, you are simply being recalcitrant in your pro-innocent posturing. You don't really believe it.

 

[Vixen]

I missed Vixen's post where she said she was exercising debating skills. She has got this thread running at 160 posts a day clip single handed, and so is deserving of applause.

Why,thank you.

 

[Vixen]

This is the weirdest hypothetical space I can imagine.
Was it a coin toss or a preordained return to sanity. Luca Cheli declared it so with local knowledge.
My view is that the state department commanded a result, I hope I am right, and yet they care not at all about Russ Faria.

By the way, if Mach had won, could DanO have stayed sane?

The jury is out.

 

[Kauffer]

Sollecito calculatingly told the police Mez' door was always locked, yet claims later he'd tried to break it down earlier.

Think about it. "Mez door is always closed" ""OK, sir, nothing to worry about then." "No."

Since Amanda, by her actions that day had been responsible for everybody except the postale police arriving at the cottage, a fact that is entirely unsupportive of her having an intention to hide the crime scene beyond Kercher's door, or any evidence at all, then it is not in any way credible to construe any comments she or Raffaele made with regard to Kercher's door closing habits as probative of anything. The break in had been discovered, Kercher's keys had been found in a garden. Kercher's room was going to be entered. But what possible reason could Amanda, even if guilty, have had in attempting to prevent the door being opened at that time?

Amanda's point with regard to Kercher's door was a nuanced one. She never disagreed with the view that the door being closed and locked was unusual and a matter of utmost concern. Nor did she not want it opened. She merely responded to the question that was asked and actually answered it more accurately than Romanelli. The nuance was not understood. Poor Raffaele, whose English was probably only slightly better than Amanda's Italian, was her default translator.

 

[MichaelB]

The aim AFAICS is to provide an easily comprehensive chart of where the luminol highlighted footsteps are.

We do it in chemistry so it's easy to see how molecules are structured, or in physiology to highlight areas of the brain.

Nobody really thinks the floor is navy blue, it's to simulate the dark conditions required to take flourescent photos.

No it's a map they made to misrepresent the evidence and deceive people. That's what they do. The little red footprints indicating where Guede's bloody prints were isn't accurate either.

They use to have a image of a large knife one of the experts used in a courtroom demonstration saying it belonged to Raffaele when it didn't.

They also have another fake image showing the measurements of the bathmat print and Raffaele's foot but 3 of the numbers in the table are wrong.

Why am I telling you this?

 

[Vixen]

I do not know about photo shopping or what else, however, there are two luminol photos placed in the map diagram that look like luminol hits. If they are documented photos they will be documented somewhere else.

There is a large police book of photos which are numbered and correspond to the first trial documentation but I didn't see these luminol photos in there nor in Rinaldi's report (that could be because the hits in Filomena's room could not be compared to feet prints). Rose do you have the photo page numbers for the two luminol hits?

IIRC it's 176 and 177.

 

[Vixen]

Mixed blood? Another nail in the coffin. Have you a reference for this? Preferably something from TJMK so I can judge its reliability.

Mixed DNA, which is reasonable to infer is derived from blood, or some other bodily fluid that mixes before drying.

 

[Kauffer]

Bloody Filomena. What a rogue, eh?

In so far as she was able to correct a false impression of the evidence in her room, but did not do so, then yes.

 

[Numbers]

I know but they're not real photos of reps 176 & 177. No photos of those exist. They've used photoshopped the whole thing and added the little blue there for appearance based on where Steffi claims the samples were located in her presentation.

I remember when they first started tweeting the fake map. They were quite proud of it. There's even different versions of it because they made a few before settling on that one.

The images purporting to be the luminol hits reps 176 and 177 in Filomena's room on the "fake wiki" are smaller than the other luminol images in their map. I speculate that the purported rep 176 & 177 images are actually portions trimmed from one or two of the actual hit images, cut and pasted.

 

[Vixen]

Since Amanda, by her actions that day had been responsible for everybody except the postale police arriving at the cottage, a fact that is entirely unsupportive of her having an intention to hide the crime scene beyond Kercher's door, or any evidence at all, then it is not in any way credible to construe any comments she or Raffaele made with regard to Kercher's door closing habits as probative of anything. The break in had been discovered, Kercher's keys had been found in a garden. Kercher's room was going to be entered. But what possible reason could Amanda, even if guilty, have had in attempting to prevent the door being opened at that time?

Amanda's point with regard to Kercher's door was a nuanced one. She never disagreed with the view that the door being closed and locked was unusual and a matter of utmost concern. Nor did she not want it opened. She merely responded to the question that was asked and actually answered it more accurately than Romanelli. The nuance was not understood. Poor Raffaele, whose English was probably only slightly better than Amanda's Italian, was her default translator.

Compare and contrast with complete stranger Luca, immediately kicking the door down on cue from Filomena.

 

[MichaelB]

The images purporting to be the luminol hits reps 176 and 177 in Filomena's room on the "fake wiki" are smaller than the other luminol images in their map. I speculate that the purported rep 176 & 177 images are actually portions trimmed from one or two of the actual hit images, cut and pasted.

Yep.

 

[Kauffer]

Very droll. Massei had to condense 10,000 pages of evidence and testimony into 476 pages. Lots has been left out, including Kokomani's evidence and from Rudy's trial.

The fact that the strong early evidence has caused a stir shows how important the earliest reports are, before being airbrushed out by the PR machines predicated on scientific hoaxes and rebranding of the alleged perps.

It is ridiculous to refer to the TIMES and the GUARDIAN as "rags", just because their on the spot crime reporters relayed the testimonies directly from the court at the time, visited the crime scene for themselves and had direct communication with those in the know, to impart the facts of the case.

Your contention then is that the postale police found the washing machine running, meaning that Amanda must have been responsible for starting it, but that this was not considered important enough for the judge in the case to include in his report as part of an argument pointing to additional circumstantial evidence of her guilt?? Lunacy!

If Amanda had put a load in the machine that morning, she would have been torn to shreds about it. It would have been very suspicious indeed.

 

[Vixen]

No it's a map they made to misrepresent the evidence and deceive people. That's what they do. The little red footprints indicating where Guede's bloody prints were isn't accurate either.

They use to have a image of a large knife one of the experts used in a courtroom demonstration saying it belonged to Raffaele when it didn't.

They also have another fake image showing the measurements of the bathmat print and Raffaele's foot but 3 of the numbers in the table are wrong.

Why am I telling you this?

AIUI someone photoshopped the bathmat footprint to make it look like Rudy's.

We always have to be alert to the fact propagandists will misrepresent facts. There is only one party that has such a propaganda machine.

 

[Vixen]

Your contention then is that the postale police found the washing machine running, meaning that Amanda must have been responsible for starting it, but that this was not considered important enough for the judge in the case to include in his report as part of an argument pointing to additional circumstantial evidence of her guilt?? Lunacy!

If Amanda had put a load in the machine that morning, she would have been torn to shreds about it. It would have been very suspicious indeed.

Don't put words in my mouth. All of the quality press reported both in the earliest days - Nov 2007 - and from live court testimony that the washing machine could be heard just completing a cycle and Filomena testified the washing machine was still warm when she arrived.

You infer Amanda turned it on, but perhaps you should think twice before applying to join the Flying Squad.

 

[Kauffer]

You arrive home panting and out of breath. Not only has your neighbour not called the police at any time in the three hour window, but....

...There's a body in one of your rooms!

You give your neighbour a funny look thereon after.

If the scene Amanda had encountered on her FIRST visit had included knowledge of the break in, then she would have deserved a funny look. But she cannot have found it then. It's perfectly obvious.

The fact that Amanda calls Romanelli immediately after she leaves the cottage, and alerts her to 'strange things', demonstrates she has nothing to hide and is not engaged in any subterfuge.

You really need to understand, that since only Amanda and Raffaele knew she went to the cottage, nobody else could know about it unless she chose to tell them.

A guilty Amanda would have left, returned to Raffaele's, gone to Gubbio and let the murder be discovered in the normal course of events by someone else, thus placing distance between her and the crime scene.

 

[Kauffer]

Compare and contrast with complete stranger Luca, immediately kicking the door down on cue from Filomena.

Luca was not a stranger to Romanelli! Why do you make these silly points?

 

[Kauffer]

AIUI someone photoshopped the bathmat footprint to make it look like Rudy's.

We always have to be alert to the fact propagandists will misrepresent facts. There is only one party that has such a propaganda machine.

Well hark at you! How are you getting on with this do you think?

 

[Numbers]

Yep.

Is there any independent method to verify the origin of reps 176 & 177? Could Stefanoni have "accidentally" misattributed their origin?

(I'm sure her original data on this is safely stored with the EDFs.)