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Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Giobbi's lipstick and oinker.

Clearly Giobbi framed Amanda because there are pictures of Amanda on his wall framed :eek:
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FRAME
a : to devise falsely (as a criminal charge)
b : to contrive the evidence against (an innocent person) so that a verdict of guilty is assured

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Although made in jest, this comment is I think very important.

Giobbi was in the serious crime squad in Rome - terrorists, serial killers, mafia. If Amanda wasn't a "serious criminal", Giobbi had no business being involved. A simple one off murder, isn't "serious crime".

Similarly, and I haven't been able to verify if Giobbi worked with Giuttari, but Giuttari's GIDES Rome based squad was solely dedicated to finding the "masterminds" he, and later Mignini in the Narducci trail cases, alleged were behind the Monster of Florence killings.

But there was no satanic sect behind the MOF killings. That was the farcical tale told by the bogus "algebraic witness" and end-stage alcoholic homeless prostitute Gabriele Ghiribelli, embroidered with the esoteric finery of psychic medium Gabriella Carlizzi, and Giuttari's own extensive and imaginative "research".

Giuttari's and Mignini principle dispute with Spezi, was that he told a different version of the MOF case, and their dispute more than anything, appears to have been commercial and for personal career advancement.

When Spezi was released from prison in April 2006, and Giuttari and Mignini were investigated for their MOF investigation, the GIDES squad was disbanded.

Think about that:

The squad to catch the "masterminds" behind the MOF killings would never have been disbanded if anyone actually believed the satanic sect theory was real, or remotely real. Everyone knew it was a hoax and they tried to shut it down when GIDES was disbanded.

When Kercher was killed on Nov 1, 2007, Mignini had only then been indicted. This type of satanic orgy murder case was exactly what he needed to legitimize his theories and salvage his career.

Giobbi came up from Rome, and knew almost immediately Amanda was guilty, from allege hip swivels (which is his own perv imaginings) and eating pizza. The point is, if Giobbi doesn't find a "monster criminal", there's no real good reason for him to be there.

They were all telling fish stories, turning innocent minnows into giant white whales, all for their own reasons. It was a communal feast on the good names and futures of two innocent college students.

The fact that Giobbi had Amanda's picture up on the wall within months, and before they were even charged, is just one more sick self-aggrandizing idiot trying to justify his job function, and put lipstick on a pig.

Giobbi made room on his trophy wall before he ever left rome on the first day of the crime, Nov 1, 2007. He sure wasn't coming back empty handed. And he arrived the afternoon of the first day. Someone called him in to the case, virtually immediately. Guess who? Mignini? They all needed the big win, and Amada and Raf got stuck without a chair when the music stopped.

Not all police jurisdictions are equally honest. Not all countries have the same standards. Amanda and Raf were framed for Mignini's convenience. Call it what you want. They were framed.

Guess I'll leave it there.
 
It's the link to Rudy : drugs.

There's Federico, cocaine dealer, whose number was on Amanda's cell phone, and whom she rang before and after the murder. Kokomani. Rudy himself was said to be terrified of the dealers operating in Perugia cathedral steps.

You have answered the question I wanted to know, the source of your post (PMF). I was curious because I had that discussion with SA here many years ago and the wording was familiar to me.
 
I think what is important is if we understand each other.
If I said "I think Hauptmann is guilty but I believe that he was framed," would you understand what I mean?

After this yes but most in the world wouldn't.

But if you said Hauptmann was framed I would think he was innocent as would people that understand the definition of the word from all those major sources I quoted.

Ask 10 people what it means that a guy was framed for a crime.

Framing is by definition producing fake evidence to convict an innocent person.
 
In her statement Ms Knox claimed that Mr Sollecito had confided to her that in the past he had used cocaine and acid and that he suffered from depression. Mr Sollecito claims that on the evening of the murder he was at his computer until 1am, but police tests are said to have disproved this.

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TIMES 22.11.2007 Richard Owen

No, the source was not PMF. You are full of preconceptions.

Backtracking your claim that Richard Owen was the source?
 
As you no doubt are aware there are two police squads in Italy, postal police and the carabinieri, a quasi-military style Flying Squad.

Do you have an explanation for Amanda's claim in her email home she was so alarmed on coming home circa 10:30 to find the door swinging open, etc, that she was frantically banging on Mez' door, but later, she assured the postal police it was quite normal for Mez' door to be closed?

I feel deja vu coming on, don't tell me, the police misunderstood her Italian.

Kauffer, you have not quoted the entire email home. I know the part about Amanda banging on Mez' door is embarrassing.

And here you go again, trying to challenge me with mere assertion. Have you actually read the email? You surely cannot have read it and believe what you are saying is correct,

I've put your claims up again. Why you persist, I know not, but you are demonstrably wrong.

You do not, despite being asked, respond to the challenge to the first part of your claim which I disproved, where you say Amanda was alarmed to find the door open. She was not alarmed.

The second part, where you claim Amanda stated she was "frantically banging on Mez's door" is wrong too.

You describe Amanda arriving at the flat, finding the door open, being alarmed by the door being open and as a result of this frantically banging on Kercher's door! Nothing of this is true.

Doubtless, you put this up to convince yourself that the actions Amanda took after leaving the flat and returning to Raffaele's were inappropriate.

Here is the email. Read it please, identify the evidence and withdraw your claims.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/email.html
 
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It's the link to Rudy : drugs.

There's Federico, cocaine dealer, whose number was on Amanda's cell phone, and whom she rang before and after the murder. Kokomani. Rudy himself was said to be terrified of the dealers operating on Perugia cathedral steps.

Using Amanda's phone records please identify Federico's number and state the date, time and duration of these phone calls.
 
Again Grinder, this comes down to definitions. Your definition seems much more limited than Numbers and mIne. I think the police can and do often frame guilty suspects or at least suspects they believe to be guilty. Actual planting of evidence probably goes beyond the activities that most would employ. This case clearly includes suborning false testimonies like Curatolo, Quintavlle and Rinaldi. It includes the omission of exculpatory evidence such as the negative TMB test results and the controls of the DNA tests and probably much more.

In the Knox-Sollecito case, police misconduct seems to have been subtle and hidden in procedures, probably to allow for denial. For example, Curatolo was a serial witness, but this might not have been obvious immediately. The DNA claimed to be on the knife blade was found on a secret retest. DNA data including all raw data was suppressed, so there was no way to verify the electropherograms.
 
She had 4000 dollars or more. She was withdrawing 250 Euro and once 500.

Please provide the proof on the calls both that they were made and that he was her drug dealer.

I thought she was buying from Rudi according to your theory.

What drugs was she buying and did she test positive?

Anyone feel free as the V won't answer in an acceptable fashion.

Detectives investigating the murder believe one of the many points of tension between Ms Knox and Ms Kercher may have been an argument over stolen money. Bank checks have shown that Ms Kercher withdrew €250 (£180) to pay for her rent two days before she died.
However, her landlord has told police that the money, due on 1 November, the day of her death, was never paid. Police have disclosed that €215 was found on Ms Knox when she was searched.

TIMES 4.12.2007. Richard Owen in Rome
 
Using Amanda's phone records please identify Federico's number and state the date, time and duration of these phone calls.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...der-Drug-dealer-sex-Amanda-Knox-new-clue.html

Could a drug dealer who had sex with Amanda Knox be a vital clue in solving Meredith Kercher's murder?
Italian prosecutor from Amanda Knox trial 'gave newspaper list of drug-dealer names associated with American student'
Drug ring was allegedly uncovered during investigation of Meredith Kercher's murder after numbers found on Knox's cell phone
Prosecutors are preparing to use Knox's alleged links to the cocaine ring to extradite her to Italy
Knox vowed never to 'willingly' return to Italy, where she and ex Raffaele Sollecito were reconvicted earlier this year of the killing of Miss Kercher


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-sex-Amanda-Knox-new-clue.html#ixzz3ZycIoMhP
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
 
Detectives investigating the murder believe one of the many points of tension between Ms Knox and Ms Kercher may have been an argument over stolen money. Bank checks have shown that Ms Kercher withdrew €250 (£180) to pay for her rent two days before she died.
However, her landlord has told police that the money, due on 1 November, the day of her death, was never paid. Police have disclosed that €215 was found on Ms Knox when she was searched.

TIMES 4.12.2007. Richard Owen in Rome

Got a link to the full article?
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...der-Drug-dealer-sex-Amanda-Knox-new-clue.html

Could a drug dealer who had sex with Amanda Knox be a vital clue in solving Meredith Kercher's murder?
Italian prosecutor from Amanda Knox trial 'gave newspaper list of drug-dealer names associated with American student'
Drug ring was allegedly uncovered during investigation of Meredith Kercher's murder after numbers found on Knox's cell phone
Prosecutors are preparing to use Knox's alleged links to the cocaine ring to extradite her to Italy
Knox vowed never to 'willingly' return to Italy, where she and ex Raffaele Sollecito were reconvicted earlier this year of the killing of Miss Kercher


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-sex-Amanda-Knox-new-clue.html#ixzz3ZycIoMhP
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Nope. That doesn't look like Amanda's phone records. It's just another crap article.
 
There's more than one source. There's Amanda making a statement to the police, there are the court documents and then there are the reporters who reported it at the time.

You quoted Richard Owen as your source using the exact same paragraph as quoted on PMF. I just want to see the full article.
 
Using Amanda's phone records please identify Federico's number and state the date, time and duration of these phone calls.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...der-Drug-dealer-sex-Amanda-Knox-new-clue.html

Could a drug dealer who had sex with Amanda Knox be a vital clue in solving Meredith Kercher's murder?
Italian prosecutor from Amanda Knox trial 'gave newspaper list of drug-dealer names associated with American student'
Drug ring was allegedly uncovered during investigation of Meredith Kercher's murder after numbers found on Knox's cell phone
Prosecutors are preparing to use Knox's alleged links to the cocaine ring to extradite her to Italy
Knox vowed never to 'willingly' return to Italy, where she and ex Raffaele Sollecito were reconvicted earlier this year of the killing of Miss Kercher


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-sex-Amanda-Knox-new-clue.html#ixzz3ZycIoMhP
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Look at my post and then look at yours. Do you see a problem? We need, as evidence the phone number of Federico and the identification of the same in AMANDA's PHONE RECORDS!! The Daily Mail is not the record and does not have this information anyway.

Do you understand?
 
Who?
I tried to write on the wall because she wanted to say something, but there wasn’t time to look for a pen and a sheet of paper.​

Police claim they could not find these letters - AF - Rudy claimed to have written.


Where does Rudy say he wrote "AF" on the wall? Why is rudy making the above statement? What could he have used for ink if he could not find a pen? Why do I not expect a straight answer from Vixen?
 
Detectives investigating the murder believe one of the many points of tension between Ms Knox and Ms Kercher may have been an argument over stolen money. Bank checks have shown that Ms Kercher withdrew €250 (£180) to pay for her rent two days before she died.
However, her landlord has told police that the money, due on 1 November, the day of her death, was never paid. Police have disclosed that €215 was found on Ms Knox when she was searched.

TIMES 4.12.2007. Richard Owen in Rome

No. "Detectives" did not believe this. Rudy Guede is the sole source of this factoid, that Meredith and Amanda were having a row over rent money. Rudy said this in the same statement where he said he'd been let into the cottage by Meredith because they'd had a date on the evening of Nov 1st.

Vixen - you have an aversion to going to sources. You'd rather cite Daily Mail articles. Enough said.
 
Detectives investigating the murder believe one of the many points of tension between Ms Knox and Ms Kercher may have been an argument over stolen money. Bank checks have shown that Ms Kercher withdrew €250 (£180) to pay for her rent two days before she died.
However, her landlord has told police that the money, due on 1 November, the day of her death, was never paid. Police have disclosed that €215 was found on Ms Knox when she was searched.

TIMES 4.12.2007. Richard Owen in Rome

No mention of the alleged 215 in Massei weird huh?

I thought you said Amanda took out all sorts of cash so what's starnge about her having money?

Owen obviously had bad info as has been demonstrated. can you provide a good source? Court records?
 
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