"The absolute, honest truth about UFOs"

I am constantly amazed about the faith so many people have in the idea that since Pilots, Police Officers etc., report seeing various UFO phenomena that that testimony has a much higher believability factor. The notion appears to be that Pilots, Police Officers etc., are significantly more reliable than "ordinary" witnesses to UFOs. Is this in fact even true? Frankly this seems to be a variation of arguing from authority. And like all arguments from authority it has to be examined in depth.

Now Police officers may be significantly more reliable than "ordinary" people in describing crime scenes / crimes and Pilots more reliable in describing weather and other planes etc. But does this have any bearing in terms of greater accuracy in describing UFO phenomena?

Well apparently not. It is unlikely that Pilots, Police are significantly more accurate that "ordinary" people when describing what are perceived to be unusual phenomena such as UFOs. In fact the book UFOs: The Public Deceived, by Philip J. Klass published more than 30 years ago, (1983) reports ( pp. 81-87) that something like 88% of UFO reports by military pilots were "Identified Flying Objects" (IFOs), even with multiple witnesses the number was 76%! Airline and Civil pilots had a 89% misidentification of IFOs has UFOs and with multiple witnesses it was 79% of IFOs identified as UFOs. If people had technical training the number of IFOs identified has UFOs was 65% for single witnesses and 50% for multiple. These figures come from Allen Hynek's book The UFO Report, 1977. ( I used to have a copy) Since Hynek was a UFO believer who had every incentive to find mysterious "unexplained" sightings I regard his figures has damning. As for Police officers well Hynek describes how in the fall of 1967 a large number of Police officers in Georgia were taken in by the planet Venus mistaking it for a UFO. In 1979 another UFO believer Hendry published a book called The UFO Handbook, in which out of 1307 cases he was able to find prosaic explanations for 91.4% of the cases. Of the remainder he found possible prosaic explanations for 7.1% leaving just 1.5% unexplained! So all we have left is the damn residue that are likely unexplained because of lack of information.

The idea that Police Officers, Pilots etc., are significantly more reliable that "ordinary" witnesses when it comes to UFO phenomena is a statement of faith not backed up by much evidence. Perhaps they are indeed more reliable but any difference from "ordinary" witnesses would seem to be not large and has such Police Officers, Pilots are subject to the same errors of interpretation etc., that "ordinary" witnesses are in relation to UFO phenomena and has such their testimony about such things is apparently not significantly more reliable. And frankly it appears that like with the majority of "ordinary" testimony most of it is misperceptions.

I find it remarkable that the old Police Officers and Pilots testimony is reliable trope regarding UFOs is trotted out when for at least a generation this has been shown to be well wrong.
 
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People identify what they think is alien based on a stereotype that is portrayed in the media and from a bias that aliens would be more human like should they ever arrive.

This is a really important point that more than one sociologist has picked up on. Before Close Encounters was released, reports of 'grey' aliens were not that common but since that film, the vast number of contact situations describe aliens who seem to have stepped straight out of the movie

The other interesting thing is looking through historic records, the aliens seem to be one technology step above humans. Before the invention of aircraft, balloons and blimp like ship dominated reports. We get aircraft and the alien can always fly a little higher and a little faster
 
Originally Posted by jakesteele View Post
For God's sake, man, do the research. Columbus had a sighting on his voyage to America?

What was it, a jet? Space craft?

Was it ET, or St. Elmo's fire

The woo story that Columbus saw a UFO on his voyage to America is based on a log entry that Columbus wrote on the evening of October 11, 1492 the day before he ran into America. It goes has follows:

The first man to sight land was a sailor called Rodrigo from Triana, who afterwards vainly claimed the reward, which was pocketed by Columbus. The Admiral, however, when on the stencastle at ten o'clock in the night, had seen a light, though it was so indistinct he would not affirm that it was land. He called Pero Gutierrez, butler of the king's table, and told him there seemed to be a light and asked him to look. He did so and saw it. He said the same to Rodrigo Sanchez of Segovia, whom the King and Queen had sent in the fleet as accountant, and he saw nothing because he was not in a position from which anything could be seen. After the Admiral spoke this light was seen once or twice and it was like a wax candle that went up and down. Very few thought that this was a sign of land, but the Admiral was quite certain they were near land. (Christopher Columbus: The Four Voyages, Penguin Books, London, 1969, p. 52)

Hardly much of a UFO encounter and no one seems to have taken it has particularily unusual although it has been touted in woo circles has a UFO encounter for quite sometime. Columbus apparently didn't think so. The most likely explanation is that Columbus et al were seeing lights from San Salvador where Columbus would in a few hours make landfall. It is possible Columbus et al were seeing the light of a night fishing canoe being used to attract fish.

Whatever this UFO encounter is underwhelming.
 
That many things identified as UFO's will have terrestrial explanations that aren't necessarily covered in the news, even those without an explanation may not get coverage if it's a busy news day.

People identify what they think is alien based on a stereotype that is portrayed in the media and from a bias that aliens would be more human like should they ever arrive.

If aliens don't fit the profile I doubt we would notice unless there was some kind of severe impact on the environment to indicate that they are here. If there is no impact, you'll probably never know.

You make a strong argument. In fact, taking your warning and looking around me, I find myself becoming concerned. What if the south wall of my house is an alien? I'd never know. It could be reporting on me by shifting the pattern of the bricks.

What if the bushes in my garden are all aliens too? They might be reading the brick-code and waving it on. That innocuous tar road we use to get to town? It could be a long, dark-skinned alien! It might be the tongue of some subterranean alien!

You know, what if my car is the alien? Or the driver's door. Or the wheel.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only human left on the entire planet!

<Looks at keys on keyboard. Are you feeling me?>
 

Since you've run away without answering again, was it because you found that your attempt at a reversal of the burden of proof wasn't working?

Answer the questions:

What have any UFOs been proven to be that needs disproving?

Which ones have been confirmed to be alien space ships?

No need to slink away from answering.
 
How far does evolution have to go until a sentient being is smart enough to leave their own planet and travel light years across the universe to visit us? Or do they make just one trip here and camp close to observe? What if we are just some type of aquarium and occasionally one of us gets pulled out of the aquarium to get tagged for some reason by extraterrestrials? We might have too high of an opinion of our own intelligence.

I'm sure some of us do.
 
Let me phrase it another way, how could a human communicate with something as devolved as a tadpole?

Obviously you can't so if any alien intelligence is here I doubt we are of any interest to them whatsoever, other than as a source of food, or biological resources. Since there doesn't seem to be a great harvest of human beings occurring, I'm going with the later option for the planet as a whole.

Why would I be talking to a tadpole?
 
If When we know, the answer will be obvious. :p

How will we know that we know since knowledge is fleeting and subject to change without notice our certainty of today could be the myths of tomorrow so all we think we know could be nothing more than delusions of sanity leading us farther and farther from the blinding truth that truth itself is false./woo off
 
It's hard to imagine how evolution could proceed in such a way as to enhance our ability to recognize interstellar aliens.

The aliens implanted the knowledge in our DNA.

:eye-poppi
 
You make a strong argument. In fact, taking your warning and looking around me, I find myself becoming concerned. What if the south wall of my house is an alien? I'd never know. It could be reporting on me by shifting the pattern of the bricks.

What if the bushes in my garden are all aliens too? They might be reading the brick-code and waving it on. That innocuous tar road we use to get to town? It could be a long, dark-skinned alien! It might be the tongue of some subterranean alien!

You know, what if my car is the alien? Or the driver's door. Or the wheel.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only human left on the entire planet!

<Looks at keys on keyboard. Are you feeling me?>

Laugh if you will but there is evidence to suggest we have alien life visiting us all the time. Nanotechnology is a relatively new thing for us, probably not for a more technologically advanced society. It would be easier for an alien civilization to send out these kinds of scouts to see what's out there than their own citizens.

This is an article about panspermia, I guess we've finally "noticed" the alien visitors. There are several other sources discussing this find, but this one had the coolest pics:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1838782/seed-of-life-from-outer-space-suggest-aliens-created-life-on-earth-u-k-scientists-say-video/
 
Okay, I read them. So what? A pilot related an incident where he was fooled and then goes into the pareidolia of humans in general, including amateur astronomers. I still stand by my statement. I will take their word before I take that of an a priori armchair quarterbacks.

Where do pilots go to get their eyeballs calibrated so they see better than the rest of us.
 
Laugh if you will but there is evidence to suggest we have alien life visiting us all the time. Nanotechnology is a relatively new thing for us, probably not for a more technologically advanced society. It would be easier for an alien civilization to send out these kinds of scouts to see what's out there than their own citizens.

This is an article about panspermia, I guess we've finally "noticed" the alien visitors. There are several other sources discussing this find, but this one had the coolest pics:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1838782/seed-of-life-from-outer-space-suggest-aliens-created-life-on-earth-u-k-scientists-say-video/

I don't think there is anything you have speculated in your various posts in this thread that has not been write about in at least one Science Fiction story in the last one-hundred years or so. Some pretty damn smart people have give considerable thought about such possibilities. If you are truly interested in this topic, go and read some Science Fiction. Whether you will learn something is up to you. :book: :w2:
 
Reality tends to be stranger than anything we can imagine.
 
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