"The absolute, honest truth about UFOs"

jakesteele said:
Why on earth should an amateur astronomer be the ultimate decision maker.
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Where did I say an amateur astronomer should be the decision maker?

They are looking "at the stars" through a narrow field of vision.
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Amateur astronomers would be lucky to spend 50% of their observing time at the eyepiece

Sorry, but I'm taking the word of pilots, radar operaters,etc., who are not all amateurs.
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Do they now have a course for alien craft identification as part of their certification.


Pilots fly at or near the height of most ufo reports.
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You do realize the most miss reported object in the sky is Venus. Which if I remember correctly is not an atmospheric effect, but a planet orbiting our sun

They have the ability to have a 360 degree of vision with a turn of the stick.
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I have the same ability with the turn of my neck.

I don't get the first part of your post. There have been many sightings that were clear enough and many times seen by more than one person.
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With over 1000 UFO sightings a month world wide, my point was, given the huge variables faced by researchers, how can they even begin to filter the tiny number of reports that might be real.


Still, do you believe that all sightings from the dawn of man up to and including the present were all mistaken I.D.'s, lies, etc.?
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I have no idea, if they want to say hi, they will when they are ready. I do know this though I have seen pretty much every UFO known to man in my time on this planet, including two huge delta shaped objects in sky. Sadly to date none of them have been an alien drive by.
 
Aepervius said:
It is because I read about the history of science and about the standard model i came to this conclusion.
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Reading about the history of science should have taught that predictions made from currently known science are often overturned by science discovered in the future. Read up on the impossibility of ever knowing the composition of stars, for example. We've being doing this science thing for only a couple of thousand years. You want to speak for ALL of the future?

And note The Standard Model is a model. To quote my friends at Wikipedia:

Self-consistency of the Standard Model (currently formulated as a non-abelian gauge theory quantized through path-integrals) has not been mathematically proven. While regularized versions useful for approximate computations (for example lattice gauge theory) exist, it is not known whether they converge (in the sense of S-matrix elements) in the limit that the regulator is removed. A key question related to the consistency is the Yang–Mills existence and mass gap problem.
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Let me know when its all worked out.
 
Nowadays every-one has a cellphone with a high def camera.
You'd imagine from the numbers of UFOs in the old film camera days that now there would be dozens of photos a day...
 
jakesteele said:
So basically, you're saying that every sighting from the earliest dawn of man...are all just mistaken identity, fraud, etc.
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You know that was just a movie, right?

I kid, but "the dawn of man" took place long before recorded history, so how can you even know about the incident(s) you allude to?

Or are you referring to unidentified objects seen in cave paintings? If so, how do you know the image represents an extraterrestrial spacecraft?
 
jakesteele said:
Still, do you believe that all sightings from the dawn of man up to and including the present were all mistaken I.D.'s, lies, etc.?
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I think the vast majority are/were mistaken IDs. (the lies etc are a much smaller number IMO) When I was into astronomy I saw numerous 'UFO's through my reflector. Pretty sure they were space debris, satellites etc but if I were so inclined at the time im sure my imagination or memory could have embellished them so they looked more like alien spacecraft and less like fast moving specks of light. :)
 
I remember a group of six or eight people getting all worked up over a UFO zooming toward, then away from them and shooting beams all over the sky.

It was Venus.
 
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Jrrarglblarg said:
Despite Rule of So and all, you are actually correct. Mistaken identity and fraud pretty well cover all UFO reports thus far.
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I recall hearing once that over 50% of all ufo sightings that didn't turn out to be ordinary aircraft tuned out to be sightings of Venus.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Reading about the history of science should have taught that predictions made from currently known science are often overturned by science discovered in the future. Read up on the impossibility of ever knowing the composition of stars, for example. We've being doing this science thing for only a couple of thousand years. You want to speak for ALL of the future?

And note The Standard Model is a model. To quote my friends at Wikipedia:



Let me know when its all worked out.
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True but you are missing one important fact : the more science found out, the more *upper limits* it puts up. That is the part of the history of science I am speaking of. Speed ? limit c. Energy ? Upper limit m0c2 and even in that case we would need a reliable way to produce the anti matter first, but even then the time and resource still is enormous etc...

You can *imagine* that we will find something, and tout the we do not know everything and science made discovery in the past, but *past* discovery are *no indication* of future discovery.

As for the limit as shown in wiki... It has no practicable impact on the limit set by the standard model.

There is always possibility the dreamers will be vindicated, but so far it does not look that way, and if you take it that way there is also a possibility that a consistent mmagical theory will be found out.l
 
jakesteele said:
Why on earth should an amateur astronomer be the ultimate decision maker. They are looking "at the stars" through a narrow field of vision. Sorry, but I'm taking the word of pilots, radar operaters,etc., who are not all amateurs. Pilots fly at or near the height of most ufo reports. They have the ability to have a 360 degree of vision with a turn of the stick.
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I have a perfectly natural explanation for that. Care to guess what it is?
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Pretty much. Do you have an exception?
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http://www.stylist.co.uk/life/20-famous-ufo-extra-terrestrial-and-alien-sightings

List of reported UFO sightings
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is a partial list of alleged UFO sightings, including supposed cases of reported close encounters and abductions.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings
Contents

1 Classical antiquity
2 16th - 17th centuries
3 19th century
4 20th century
5 21st century
6 By location
7 See also
8 Notes and references
 
jakesteele said:
For God's sake, man, do the research. Columbus had a sighting on his voyage to America?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

List of reported UFO sightings
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is a partial list of alleged UFO sightings, including supposed cases of reported close encounters and abductions.

Contents

1 Classical antiquity
2 16th - 17th centuries
3 19th century
4 20th century
5 21st century
6 By location
7 See also
8 Notes and references
 
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