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Australia's Gun Problem

Ranb said:
Call it what you want, it is usually nicer to require the state prove you can't so something than ask for permission. I was referring to any rights.


Good for them then. I've no problem with gun laws in other countries, not sure why other people in foreign lands have problems with the laws in the USA while surfing the internet from home.

I can see this.


Right again.


Where did I say mine was the only valid one?


I don't know enough about the laws in other countries to state if they have the correct position. Don't really care either.

Ranb
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One of the reasons is that people from other countries are killed due to stupid US gun laws. Chris Lane is a recent victim.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...alian-baseballer/story-fnh81jut-1227304182710

Probably doesn't count in your eyes though because he was killed by a black kid and not a "responsible" gun owner.
 
Wouldn't it be funny if, in 20 or so years, Australia had a problem with gun violence due to criminals engaged in the illegal gun trade.

No, not "funny." What's that other word...
 
epepke said:
Wouldn't it be funny if, in 20 or so years, Australia had a problem with gun violence due to criminals engaged in the illegal gun trade.

No, not "funny." What's that other word...
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The other word is if Criminal Gangs want to off each other with whatever weapons they have on hand I do not have a problem. If they get hold of illegal guns and kill each other more efficiently, well I say go for it. The Darwin Awards need new blood.

As near as I can tell, most professional criminals tend not to shoot innocent civilians. It does tend to draw unwanted attention to their activities by the authorities and they do try to keep these sorts of things private. With Ice these days, they do, of course, tend to blow up houses, but that is a different issue for another thread.

Norm
 
welshdean said:
Not at all, I'm saying that if possessing an arsenal of 50 (50 fer chrissakes) guns doesn't make you feel safe, then <SNIP>.
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Again, there's your problem. I have no right to a firearm, nor does the friendly neighbourhood drug baron. So I know the chances of being shot are zero to negligible and he knows that the chances of him getting shot are virtually the same. We all feel safe!
At this point you usually spew out the tired old canard that the UK harbours vicious violent thugs on every street corner, or that a trip to choir practice at the village hall will net me a broken nose or such. Even if that were the case, I don't believe a punch on the nose warrants half a dozen 'hollow points' to the chest.

If you ain't got one, you can't use one.

BTW, your favourite comeback that "guns don't kill people..." is complete bollocks. If I threw a round at your face, you'll come away with a bruise/minor cut(s), tops. If I added a gun into the mix, I'd expect a rather different and unpleasant outcome.
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well said.
I think the average Australian finds the American attitude towards guns mind boggling....
in my travels I once met a lovely American guy, who very well meaning, asked, as a sensible woman, (that was his first mistake) how I could feel safe without a gun...
when I pointed out that I feel actually perfectly safe and am in fact so, he just couldn't believe it... and I suspect therein lies the difference.
 
mikado said:
I think the average Australian finds the American attitude towards guns mind boggling....
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I actually find it all rather funny rather than mind boggling (It's a cultural thing - many Aussies have a weird sense of humour and the pro gun lobby simply cannot understand how funny we think that they are - even when we do not even oppose gun ownership)

We have a perfectly harmless thread, and a couple of American members find it, and a need to quote an 8 year old statement from I retired frootloop Senator, or try a "what if" and try to start a fight, because, apparently there are not enough real gun threads to keep their adrenaline going, and they NEED gun threads to assert how important it is to own guns.

Well I own about 150,000 different stamps, about 2,000 books (mostly SF) and a huge DVD and VCR Video Library. Oh! And no guns.That suite me, even though I cannot shoot any of my collections.

They just don't understand...

Norm
 
The gun situation seems to be working pretty well, but, anecdotally, we do seem to have a bit of an arson problem. And alcohol and drug problems. But the latter two would probably be worse with easy access to guns, so swings and roundabouts I suppose.
 
mikado said:
well said.
I think the average Australian finds the American attitude towards guns mind boggling....
in my travels I once met a lovely American guy, who very well meaning, asked, as a sensible woman, (that was his first mistake) how I could feel safe without a gun...
when I pointed out that I feel actually perfectly safe and am in fact so, he just couldn't believe it... and I suspect therein lies the difference.
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So how is it that you and others on this forum can't possibly comprehend that a person might engage in collecting guns without some other motivation? Why am I supposed to be paranoid just because I have a gun collection? While I coach others and frequently shoot some of my many guns at a rifle range, how does this make me paranoid? I rarely ever carry a gun. I've never claimed that guns made me feel safer and in the past I've even explained how carrying makes me uncomfortable.

Ranb
 
lionking said:
Probably doesn't count in your eyes though because he was killed by a black kid and not a "responsible" gun owner.
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So you've decided to group me in with those sick racist ****'s just criticize the opinions of someone who doesn't conform to your ideal mode of behavior? What do you know about my attitude towards murder or gun laws that makes you think I would dismiss the actions of a murderer as "doesn't count"? You seemed to be much more civil in the past, but now your willingness to stoop to such a low level sickens me.

lionking said:
Ranb

Rarely ever carry a gun?

Hilarious.
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So you are saying I carry often? Any evidence to support this lie?

Ranb
 
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fromdownunder said:
I actually find it all rather funny rather than mind boggling...
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I would find it funny if hundreds of people weren't dying every day because of the utterly ludicrous number of guns rattling around in the country.

Ranb said:
It is a problem that the importing country has to try to solve. Trying to blame someone else will get you nowhere.
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Ah, so your response is

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arthwollipot said:
I would find it funny if hundreds of people weren't dying every day because of the utterly ludicrous number of guns rattling around in the country.
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It appears you do find it to be funny. When there is a seller there is always a buyer. Why are your countrymen buying this American stuff then?

Ranb
 
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