Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Grinder]

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/rudy-guedes-break-in/

Question: So on 3rd December [2007] you said to the police on page 24 to have closed the windows, to have drawn the shutters without latching them, to have closed only the right blind [internal shutter] and not the left one because (unheard) – do you remember this?
Answer: In all honesty, seeing as I said that in the immediacy of the crime I can confirm because it was fresh in my mind.

but she was questioned well before 12-3 what did she say on 11-1,2.3 ?

 

[Grinder]

While you were away there was a rather large document dump on the guilter wiki. We now have most of the previously missing transcripts that Amanda didn't post on her site, as well as transcripts of their phone calls November 2-5, their prison conversations, new expert reports that haven't been seen before, some witness statements, arrest warrants, search warrants, attorney correspondence etc. Here's the links if you're interested:

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-case-transcripts/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-transcripts/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/statements-phone-taps-prison-intercepts/

thanks very much - should i look at something first you recommend?

 

[MichaelB]

thanks very much - should i look at something first you recommend?

The defense computer report is interesting but that's been around for 6+ months. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Expert-Report-on-Sollecitos-computer.pdf

Bruno Pellero's report about the cell phones and towers is good. It's got images of where the phones were found in Lana's garden etc. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-co...07-17-Report-Pellero-Sollecito-Cellphones.pdf

There's CCTV images of the white car that was parked outside the cottage. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/cctv-images-of-white-car/

And CCTV of the tow truck and broken down car http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/cctv-images-of-tow-truck/

Amanda's prison conversations are worth reading. Only excerpts were translated. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-co...sh-excerpts-Amanda-Knox-prison-intercepts.pdf

And Amanda's phone calls after the murder but before arrest were translated and worth a read. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-co...Amanda-Knox-Phone-Intercepts-November-3-6.pdf

And Raffaele's phone calls http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-co...llecito-Phone-Intercepts-Nov-3-16-English.pdf

 

[MichaelB]

Sollecito defense expert Marshal Francesco Pasquali about the break-in. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Testimony-of-Francesco-Pasquali.rtf

Mrs Lana http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Testimony-of-Elisabetta-Lana.pdf

John Kercher http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Testimony-of-John-Kercher.pdf

That's pretty much all the recent stuff that's now in English.

 

[Grinder]

Sollecito defense expert Marshal Francesco Pasquali about the break-in. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Testimony-of-Francesco-Pasquali.rtf

Mrs Lana http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Testimony-of-Elisabetta-Lana.pdf

John Kercher http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Testimony-of-John-Kercher.pdf

That's pretty much all the recent stuff that's now in English.

Thank you again.

 

[JREF2010]

Well certainly not Mignini, in his new role he no longer tries cases or leads investigations. Maybe Commodi, but wouldn't that be a conflict of interest?

Maybe it would get kicked to Florence?

But I don't see Rudy being entitled to another trial no matter what. (for reasons LJ outlined in a post a bit upthread.)

Its an odd situation where Kerchers want Rudy Guede to speak but ....

their lawyer Maresca discouraged it in court, and now Rudys lawyers are also going to great lengths for anything Rudy says to be stricken and silenced, per media, and for an almost protective isolation of Rudy to not have visitors by even Govt officials.

Even the PGP sites, who claim to support the Kerchers, at least in words (maybe not so in action), have seemed to protect Rudy Guede and have little interest in applying their efforts to his case and possible lone wolf crime and seemed to attack anyone who questioned that Rudy Guede was the "main evil" as Massei called him.

I agree with others, if there were "deals" made by Migninni and in presence of Matteini then Rudy presents a serious issue in this case. Imagine the financial lawsuits that would come! maybe exceeding imaginable costs, in damages, far more than the tens of thousands Migninni spent on the cartoon/video.

This financial damage to the Italian system has to be placed back at Migninnis feet, he presented it. Frank Sfarzo mentions he told Migninni not to listen to the Perugia "pack", but still it was Migninni's job to be able to run a case, including accepting or rejecting evidence presented.

It wont be headlines, it took many years for the Central Park Five to get their 10;s of Millions, but it seems obvious Raffaele, especially, will be awarded a huge huge payout for Migninni's mess.

but I rattled off topic.....Maori is probably the man to force Rudy to talk, thats the horse Im betting on.

 

[carbonjam72]

Its an odd situation where Kerchers want Rudy Guede to speak but ....

their lawyer Maresca discouraged it in court, and now Rudys lawyers are also going to great lengths for anything Rudy says to be stricken and silenced, per media, and for an almost protective isolation of Rudy to not have visitors by even Govt officials.

Even the PGP sites, who claim to support the Kerchers, at least in words (maybe not so in action), have seemed to protect Rudy Guede and have little interest in applying their efforts to his case and possible lone wolf crime and seemed to attack anyone who questioned that Rudy Guede was the "main evil" as Massei called him.

I agree with others, if there were "deals" made by Migninni and in presence of Matteini then Rudy presents a serious issue in this case. Imagine the financial lawsuits that would come! maybe exceeding imaginable costs, in damages, far more than the tens of thousands Migninni spent on the cartoon/video.

This financial damage to the Italian system has to be placed back at Migninnis feet, he presented it. Frank Sfarzo mentions he told Migninni not to listen to the Perugia "pack", but still it was Migninni's job to be able to run a case, including accepting or rejecting evidence presented.

It wont be headlines, it took many years for the Central Park Five to get their 10;s of Millions, but it seems obvious Raffaele, especially, will be awarded a huge huge payout for Migninni's mess.

but I rattled off topic.....Maori is probably the man to force Rudy to talk, thats the horse Im betting on.

I'm actually betting on Alfred Brizzioli (?), Raf's lawyer in the trial over "Honor Bound" pressed by MIgnini.

Mignini charged Brizzioli as the Narducci's friend and lawyer in the cae against 20 people from Florence. Everyone else rode it out for 4 years, finally accepting the victory based on a lapse in the statute of limitations (after the courts had first established their was no criminal conspiracy - read satanic/masonic sect activity). Except Brizzioli.

Brizzioli insisted on a final verdict to clear his name.

My guess is even if Mignini offered to drop the case at this point, Brizziloi and Raf won't accept it. They want to beat Mignini in a court room, and Brizzioli has waited over a decade, and Raf nearly a decade, to get the chance.

I would expect cassation's motivation report over the recent acquittals to play a significant role in the hearings. All those judicial findings will be hard for Mignini to dance around, I'm guessing.

As for Rudy talking, I think a lot depends on Mignini. One thing though, Rudy always talks when and how he thinks it will benefit him. The only bargaining chip he has left, without further implicating himself, is if Mignini encouraged him to include Amanda and Raf in his story. And Rudy's case is still sealed. Mignini interrogation of Dec 7, 2007 will be a fascinating read at some point.

Rudy seems too young to go the way of Curatolo. I think there's more drama yet to unfold in this fiasco.

 

[Samzilla]

Regarding Guede's case being sealed, can the courts keep it sealed forever or does it have to be unsealed eventually?

 

[Grinder]

Regarding Guede's case being sealed, can the courts keep it sealed forever or does it have to be unsealed eventually?

If someone knows the answer could they also specify what parts of the case are sealed and why.

 

[Strozzi]

If someone knows the answer could they also specify what parts of the case are sealed and why.

Machiavelli, can you please help us understand why Rudi's case is sealed, how that process works, and under what circumstances the case materials may be opened for public knowledge?

 

[Strozzi]

Los Angelas has settled a lawsuit by agreeing to pay $8 million to a man who spent 17 years in prison for a murder he did not commit. While investigating the crime Los Angelas police found shell casings which they failed to report and test as evidence.

The wrongfully-convicted man still has a separate lawsuit pending against the prosecutors who concealed an agreement they made to provide leniency to a pimp who testified for the prosecution.

You may see the article at
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/12/los-angeles-pay-wrongly-c_n_7051806.html

 

[Samson]

Machiavelli, can you please help us understand why Rudi's case is sealed, how that process works, and under what circumstances the case materials may be opened for public knowledge?

The only data that I recall is Biscotti saying

"Rudy did not name anyone because there is no one to name"

This was at a time he must expect the others to be released.
He could have no real world expectation that uninvolved people in his crime would remain securely locked up by the morons.

 

[LondonJohn]

I see that certain idiots pro-guilt commentators still cannot bring themselves to understand the doctrine of "innocent until proven guilty". Some of them are still "arguing" that Knox and Sollecito do not stand innocent in relation to the murder charges, merely that they've been found not-guilty. In these idiots' pro-guilt commentators' minds, there's a clear difference. They back up their "argument" by stating that courts do not make findings of "innocence", merely "non-guilt".

Maybe they would do themselves a few favours if they stopped to think about this for a moment (and preferably without the veil of bitter vindictiveness drawn down over their eyes). In Italian law - just as in UK and US law - a person is presumed innocent until and unless they are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Therefore, if/when a court reaches a "not-guilty" verdict, the defendant remains presumed innocent.

In fact, in the case of Knox and Sollecito on the murder-related charges, they have actually been legally and ethically innocent of those charges every single second since November 2007. The SC not-guilty verdicts merely confirm their abiding and everlasting status of innocence. Though I'm guessing that most of the idiots pro-guilt commentators probably don't even realise that Knox and Sollecito were considered legally/ethically innocent of these charges after the Massei verdict, after the Hellmann verdict, after the first SC ruling, and after the Nencini verdict - as well as after the most recent SC verdict. In Italy, every defendant is considered innocent in law/ethics until and unless the final SC ruling confirms a guilty verdict and conviction.

 

[LondonJohn]

Oh and by the way, does anyone have any news on whether (perhaps) lawyers acting for Knox and/or Sollecito - or law enforcement agencies - might have been in touch with a certain website, precipitating that site's very sudden messageboard closure?

Just sayin'.......

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Bill Williams]

I see that certain idiots pro-guilt commentators idiots still cannot bring themselves to understand the doctrine of "innocent until proven guilty". Some of them are still "arguing" that Knox and Sollecito do not stand innocent in relation to the murder charges, merely that they've been found not-guilty. In these idiots' pro-guilt commentators' idiots minds, there's a clear difference. They back up their "argument" by stating that courts do not make findings of "innocence", merely "non-guilt".

Maybe they would do themselves a few favours if they stopped to think about this for a moment (and preferably without the veil of bitter vindictiveness drawn down over their eyes). In Italian law - just as in UK and US law - a person is presumed innocent until and unless they are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Therefore, if/when a court reaches a "not-guilty" verdict, the defendant remains presumed innocent.

In fact, in the case of Knox and Sollecito on the murder-related charges, they have actually been legally and ethically innocent of those charges every single second since November 2007. The SC not-guilty verdicts merely confirm their abiding and everlasting status of innocence. Though I'm guessing that most of the idiots pro-guilt commentators idiots probably don't even realise that Knox and Sollecito were considered legally/ethically innocent of these charges after the Massei verdict, after the Hellmann verdict, after the first SC ruling, and after the Nencini verdict - as well as after the most recent SC verdict. In Italy, every defendant is considered innocent in law/ethics until and unless the final SC ruling confirms a guilty verdict and conviction.

There - I fixed it for you.....

 

[Bill Williams]

Oh and by the way, does anyone have any news on whether (perhaps) lawyers acting for Knox and/or Sollecito - or law enforcement agencies - might have been in touch with a certain website, precipitating that site's very sudden messageboard closure?

Just sayin'.......

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There is no way of knowing. AFAIK the innocent parties just want the abuse to stop, and are not interested in publicisizing actions like that.

Publicizing the action simply repeats and amplifies the abuse. IMO those hate sites will slowly disappear as (if indeed there are any) lawyers letters arrive and are either ignored or complied with. Because of the character of the innocents we may never know.

The ball is in the haters' court.

 

[Samson]

3 guests on dot org no registered users 5 on dot net, and Peter Quennells random number generator still operates. 128, refresh, 127 and so on. never below 100. Never above 180. As long as I have checked in...

 

[Grinder]

It is a loss: So much humor and what fun watching bannings and snipe troll hunts. While I always questioned their general mental balance I am now over whelmed by their off their heads comments. Here's one for fun:

In light of the corrupt verdict I have re-examined Kokomani's statements to see if he could have been intimidated to not cooperate fully. It's certainly possible that that's why his story became more outlandish as time went on. What I cannot get past is that the only car that was definitely parked with its headlights on during the period of interest was the broken-down car. The occupants saw nothing. How could they fail to see an altercation playing out on the street right next to them? The other car that is seen in the driveway about 10 minutes after that seems to me to be simply doing a three point turn. Unfortunately the defense has chosen to leak only specific frames rather than the whole evening's CCTV activity. We can only assume that it is in their interest to disclose anything that might point away from K and S, and since they did not disclose more clear evidence of a suspicious car it is probably not there.

I call for Maresca to release all the CCTV footage forthwith. They act like only the defense has access. Since we can be very sure it wasn't the defense that released the bloody bathroom picture and so much more why wouldn't the prosecution release or leak everything incriminating?

 

[Bill Williams]

It is a loss: So much humor and what fun watching bannings and snipe troll hunts. While I always questioned their general mental balance I am now over whelmed by their off their heads comments. Here's one for fun:

In light of the corrupt verdict I have re-examined Kokomani's statements to see if he could have been intimidated to not cooperate fully. It's certainly possible that that's why his story became more outlandish as time went on. What I cannot get past is that the only car that was definitely parked with its headlights on during the period of interest was the broken-down car. The occupants saw nothing. How could they fail to see an altercation playing out on the street right next to them? The other car that is seen in the driveway about 10 minutes after that seems to me to be simply doing a three point turn. Unfortunately the defense has chosen to leak only specific frames rather than the whole evening's CCTV activity. We can only assume that it is in their interest to disclose anything that might point away from K and S, and since they did not disclose more clear evidence of a suspicious car it is probably not there.

I call for Maresca to release all the CCTV footage forthwith. They act like only the defense has access. Since we can be very sure it wasn't the defense that released the bloody bathroom picture and so much more why wouldn't the prosecution release or leak everything incriminating?

This raises an interesting question - before the 27 March exoneration, there was a determined effort to smear Knox and Raffaele with CCTV garage videos of a random woman, claimed to be Knox, a (court?) report printed in sans-serif font with the first names of people claimed to have been drug dealers - one of whom shares the same first name with someone Amanda met on a train..... what was the other one? Oh yes, Raffaele throwing Amanda under a bus, but it turns out the transit schedule was changed at the last minute......

Now? Post facto 27 March 2015? Crickets. Could this be the collapse of the vaunted PR-guilt lobby? Are they busy lawyering up, as would be wise?

You're right - Maresca must have had access to stuff Mignini/Crini was pushing. Why isn't he doing a data dump to demonstrate obvious guilt? It may just be that Section 5 of ISC finally got it right.

Who'd have thunk?

 

[Kauffer]

I see that certain idiots pro-guilt commentators still cannot bring themselves to understand the doctrine of "innocent until proven guilty". Some of them are still "arguing" that Knox and Sollecito do not stand innocent in relation to the murder charges, merely that they've been found not-guilty. In these idiots' pro-guilt commentators' minds, there's a clear difference. They back up their "argument" by stating that courts do not make findings of "innocence", merely "non-guilt".

Maybe they would do themselves a few favours if they stopped to think about this for a moment (and preferably without the veil of bitter vindictiveness drawn down over their eyes). In Italian law - just as in UK and US law - a person is presumed innocent until and unless they are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Therefore, if/when a court reaches a "not-guilty" verdict, the defendant remains presumed innocent.

In fact, in the case of Knox and Sollecito on the murder-related charges, they have actually been legally and ethically innocent of those charges every single second since November 2007. The SC not-guilty verdicts merely confirm their abiding and everlasting status of innocence. Though I'm guessing that most of the idiots pro-guilt commentators probably don't even realise that Knox and Sollecito were considered legally/ethically innocent of these charges after the Massei verdict, after the Hellmann verdict, after the first SC ruling, and after the Nencini verdict - as well as after the most recent SC verdict. In Italy, every defendant is considered innocent in law/ethics until and unless the final SC ruling confirms a guilty verdict and conviction.

You're right. It makes their nearly four years spent in prison even more outrageous.