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UK TV debate

I saw it was on, but watched a thing on meteors followed by Terry Pratchett trying to finf orang-outangs on bbc4 instead
 
Bumped into it twice while checking news channels. Couldn't switch channels fast enough.
 
orangutan vs political debate

I would have preferred the awesome pratchett and a orange primate over listening to toff Cameron and adenoid ed any day. If sturgeon was not taking part I wouldn't have watched for two seconds
 
I watched it, but it all felt rather pointless to me. Lots of sniping and wild claims, but little substance.
Cameron appeared to take quite a battering to me, but opinion polls seem to suggest the opposite, for some reason.

It was nice to see the Tories being pulled up on their "economic mess" rubbish, though.
Constantly claiming that they inherited a mess because of the banking crisis is fine, but they wouldn't have done anything to avoid it.
Quite the opposite, in fact.
Won't make any impact on their voters.
 
Watching it now. I think Nicola Sturgeon is clearly one of the most assured politicians and best debaters in the UK.

As for the others, it was pretty much the same old.
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-32167763:
UKIP leader, Nigel Farage, highlighted the case of HIV positive people from outside the UK using the NHS.
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Really? This raises so many questions.
Is that why his wife immigrated to Britain?
Did he made her check her HIV status before sleeping with her?
Or do his comments only apply to immigrants from non-Aryan states, e.g., Latvian convicted murderers?
Has his wife already trained him on the proper pronunciation of the Horst Wessel Song?
And does anyone have the facts on the numbers he claims?

ETA: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-32172871:
[ Conservative whip ] Mr Gove says "nein danke" ("no thanks") in response to talk of a coalition with UKIP.
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Is that a sneaky Godwin?
 
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Farage(don't you think he looks like a slimy parasite) came to Scotland and got chased-he ran into a pub on the royal mile and the cops had to rescue him. We Scots will fight among ourselves over the colour red but send a patronising English politician up and we will(temporarily) unite.
 
skeptichaggis said:
Farage(don't you think he looks like a slimy parasite) came to Scotland and got chased-he ran into a pub on the royal mile and the cops had to rescue him. We Scots will fight among ourselves over the colour red but send a patronising English politician up and we will(temporarily) unite.
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How do you think it is to your credit (if you presume to speak for all Scottish people) that a politician had to rescued by police from you?
 
angrysoba said:
How do you think it is to your credit (if you presume to speak for all Scottish people) that a politician had to rescued by police from you?
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That Farage is a coward? I don't think there was any physical violence there. According to the HuffPost reporting, the crowd only shouted:
Several journalists tweeted that crowds shouted: "Leave Scotland, go back to England!” and "You can stick your Union Jack up your a*se!" as Farage left the building.
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The Standard reported that some protesters were shouting "racist Nazi scum" while another yelled "you know as much about Scotland as you do about flying planes" a reference to the Ukip leader's plane crash.
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I think that's covered by "freedom of expression".
 
ddt said:
That Farage is a coward? I don't think there was any physical violence there. According to the HuffPost reporting, the crowd only shouted:

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I think that's covered by "freedom of expression".
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If that's how you depict the incident. However, skeptichaggis reported it thusly:

Farage(don't you think he looks like a slimy parasite) came to Scotland and got chased-he ran into a pub on the royal mile and the cops had to rescue him.
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angrysoba said:
If that's how you depict the incident. However, skeptichaggis reported it thusly:
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It was an unpleasant incident, but it's not clear to what degree NF was in physical danger. This is from the report in The Scotsman
Two attempts to leave the Canon’s Gait pub by taxi were thwarted as the vehicles were surrounded by around 100 protesters, some carrying a giant “Vote Yes for Scotland” banner. Others carried a placard proclaiming themselves to be the “Campaign for Radical Independence”.

Met with a barrage of abuse that included the refrain, “You’re a racist, go home to England”, Mr Farage twice had to emerge from a besieged taxi to confront the crowd when it was clear both drivers were reluctant to drive him away from the scene.

On the second occasion, he responded to questions about his reception in Scotland, saying it was: “Clearly anti-British and anti-English. They hate the Union Jack [sic]… maybe that’s what it is all about.” It was then that police decided to escort him back into the Canon’s Gait where the doors were locked to keep the mob out, who continued to chant “scum, scum, scum”.
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If he could say such things to a Scottish "mob" in the High Street of Edinburgh, he's not entirely lacking in courage.
 
angrysoba said:
If that's how you depict the incident. However, skeptichaggis reported it thusly:
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I cannot tell you what skeptichaggis exactly meant with that. But sometimes, cats have to be rescued from trees by the fire brigade too. :)
 
I think its completely obvious to everyone that there was not a pitchfork and machete wielding mob. The police did have to rescue him-from a embarasing situation . Scotland has almost completely rejected farage and his homophobic racist anti immigration cronies, that is undeniable. Ukip are decisive bigots and no wonder the people-many of whom are the most vulnarable in society-get angry when he comes with his little Englander politics to a nation which overwhelmingly rejects them. Farage tried to say he was under physical threat but the evidence suggests he ran away not from violence but from mockery.
 
Yes, Scotland doesn't need his kind of nationalist stirring up trouble. They've got their own. :D
 
skeptichaggis said:
I think its completely obvious to everyone that there was not a pitchfork and machete wielding mob. The police did have to rescue him-from a embarasing situation . Scotland has almost completely rejected farage and his homophobic racist anti immigration cronies, that is undeniable. Ukip are decisive bigots and no wonder the people-many of whom are the most vulnarable in society-get angry when he comes with his little Englander politics to a nation which overwhelmingly rejects them. Farage tried to say he was under physical threat but the evidence suggests he ran away not from violence but from mockery.
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It would be nice if that were true, but the results of the 2014 European Elections prove otherwise. The UKIP garnered over 10% of the vote.
 
ddt said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-32167763:
UKIP leader, Nigel Farage, highlighted the case of HIV positive people from outside the UK using the NHS.
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Public Health England says there were 3,250 MSM and 2,490 heterosexual new HIV diagnoses in 2013. Of them, 2,470 (76%) and 1,460 (57%) respectively were acquired within the UK, which would be 4,320 (68%) in total, compared to 1,810 (32%) acquired outside the UK.

Of course, it's probably the case that even of those 1,810 many will not be aware of their HIV status, and the idea that their primary motivation will be treatment is fairly far-fetched. Then again, someone actually being in treatment cuts their infectiousness virtually to zero, so that would generally be considered a "good thing."

ETA: The Guardian's assessment.
 
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