'What about building 7'?

[Tony Szamboti]

Still no comment on building damage causing fires? Why am I not surprised?

You probably aren't surprised because you don't really know enough about the building collapses which occurred in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001.

 

[DGM]

Probably because you don't know what you are talking about concerning the building collapses which occurred in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001.

So are you claiming no significant damage or building damage can't cause fires?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

So are you claiming no significant damage or building damage can't cause fires?

I am saying the temperatures generated by the debris damage would not be enough to start the fires, short of a volatile gas being involved. Most of the diesel fuel in WTC 7 was recovered and it wouldn't explain fires being started on ten floors.

You seem to think the debris damage to WTC 7 could have caused its fires. Please explain.

 

[DGM]

You seem to think the debris damage to WTC 7 could have caused its fires. Please explain.

You want me to explain how building damage can cause fires?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

You want me to explain how building damage can cause fires?

Yes.

 

[DGM]

Yes.

Have you heard of the concept of an electrical short causing fires?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Have you heard of the concept of an electrical short causing fires?

Please tell us.

 

[DGM]

Please tell us.

Tell you what? Answer my question? Can an electrical short cause a fire?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Aren't damaged electrical systems, burning debris, rupture gas lines, etc. Kind of like.... fire hazards?

 

[Porkpie Hat]

I am saying the temperatures generated by the debris damage would not be enough to start the fires, short of a volatile gas being involved.

You seem to think the debris damage to WTC 7 could have caused its fires. Please explain.

Wow. Just wow!

If that's the best the best and the brightest of the "truth" movement can do then we can expect the next decade plus to be as exiting as watching a blade of grass competing in a 100 mile run by growing towards the finish line.

Thanks (for reminding me why I filed the "truth" movement under "a" for absurd).

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Tell you what? Answer my question? Can an electrical short cause a fire?

Sure it can if you cut two wires with a current flowing through them and then lay a significantly resistive but conductive item across them without the wires being in contact. It will work like an electric stove element. Just cutting the wires won't do though. It needs to maintain contact with both, otherwise you have an open.

Are you proposing this is what happened on ten floors of WTC 7?

 

[DGM]

Sure it can if you cut two wires with a current flowing through them and then lay a significantly resistive but conductive item across them without the wires being in contact. It needs to maintain contact with both though, otherwise you have an open. It will work like an electric stove element. Just cutting the wires won't do though.

Are you proposing this is what happened on ten floors of WTC 7?

Wrong. You only need to cut one and connect to a ground. Need me to explain electrical systems 101?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Wrong. You only need to cut one and connect to a ground. Need me to explain electrical systems 101?

A conductive path to ground can be the other side. You still need two conductive connections on opposite sides of the resistive conductive element. There can't be a dielectric, such as carpeting, paper, wood, or wallboard, in between.

Again, are you proposing your makeshift stove element effect is what happened to cause fires on ten floors in WTC 7?

 

[DGM]

A conductive path to ground can be the other side. You still need two conductive connections on opposite sides of the resistive conductive element. There can't be a dielectric, such as carpeting, paper, wood, or wallboard, in between.

Again, are you proposing your makeshift stove element effect is what happened to cause fires on ten floors in WTC 7?

Wrong again. Any part of the building will do. A loose contact will arc causing fires. You seem to think electrical fires are rare.

I'm not falling for your moving of goal posts. Address your lack of belief in electrical fires due to building damage.

 

[beachnut]

How come Edna Cintron was seen standing amidst your "uninterupted inferno" Chris? Hmm? Her being there does not quite match your story, and neither does the account of the firemen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT-po-tmJRc

Making fun of the dead. Why would you move to air that is streaming in. Have you been in a fire? Has your skin started to burn from across the room. You see fire where she stands? Where did the fire go to? Have you been burnt bad? Do you think cool air would help; or do you go into the building and breath smoke? Her being there does not match your fantasy.

The office fires in the WTC had more heat energy before collapse than 2,700 tons of thermite, your fantasy uses thermite; a fantasy based on nonsense. Who else can you make fun of to make no point? What is your fantasy version?

Where would you be on 911 if your office was hit and burning, in the office, sitting on hot desks, or in the big hole trying to breath fresh air. How much do you need to make yourself feel better, spread more lies about 911; 13 years and all you can do is talk about Edna, and lie about fire. What is your point - you would be in the core of WTC, where your desk is 500F; you would sit in the ashes? What is your point? Do you have one? No.

I can think of many reason she is getting fresh air, or cooling off herself - unable to find an exit, the stairs damage, where would you be?

You make up a fantasy of CD, the inside job, when 19 terrorists did 911, and they did it by themselves on 911. You make up sick lies based on BS.

Don´t be silly Chris, the engine block experiment was done with a big dose of thermite concentrated on one spot while the WTC cars were sandblasted with the dust plume from the collapsing Towers, which had microscopic remnants of burning thermite residue.

Don't be silly Chris, as you can't explain your silent explosives, thermite and the failed fantasy of CD?

Are you jumping on the flying thermite BS?

There was no thermite found in the dust, that was a lie; did you read the paper, they made up the conclusion, and only fool a fringe few who can't do chemistry. Short on evidence, and zero engineering skills to figure out 911. 13 years - of fail.

The fire did not spread between floors according to NIST, and there is no evidence for 7 hours of fire. You may be hoping that the claim of 7 hours of fire sounds impressive, but even NIST admits that any given office had only 20or 30 minutes of fire.

Page number.
Fire; you don't understand fire ziggi.

Here is a office fire, and what happens. Steel fails in fire, and you fall for dumbed down lies.

Wow, it only takes twenty minutes? Is that what you claim?
Do you have a source for your NIST claims? Page number, etc. No? Why can't you support the BS you post? How do you model a three foot sagging floor/ceiling? Got engineering? no

Wow you are wrong again, WTC 7 had big fires;;; this is WTC 7, where 911 truth claims there were tiny fires, office fires, like in one meridian plaza... but these WTC 7 fires were not fought.

The molten iron spheres in the dust are direct evidence for thermite as are the reports of molten steel under the debris pile. Bechtel workers reported temperatures under the debirs pile over 2800F, which corroborates the molten steel. You also know that the lower 1400F surface temperature is normal since there was a huge debris pile between the heat source and the surface.

Another set of 911 truth lies for those who can't figure out 911 without repeating BS from 911 truth.
Iron sphere occur in fire - oops you are repeating a lie; iron spheres are not evidence of thermite. There was no steel melted on 911, zero was found.
No, you lie again, no one reported temperatures to melt steel, why do you lie about 911? Do you have to spread lies to have your fantasy CD?

Almost all the steel evidence was taken away before it could be examined Chris, so no legitimate earching for thermite cuts could be done, and you know this by now.

LOL, What is this, how many lies can you have in one post contest of woo?
Zero damage from thermite. Oops, you forgot to look for evidence again. You repeat BS and make up lies about 911; mocking the murder of thousands by 19 nuts; who figured out 911 more than 13 years before you; you can't beat 19 failed terrorists at figuring out 911? lol

Where was the steel taken to?

OMG, before it could be examined... really? Took 8 months to clean up the WTC debris... lol, and you play the steel was taken away card. Is this the best you have? BS.

OMG, the steel was... darn, you got no point. Zero. 13 years of repeating the BS you googled up on 911, made up BS from 911 truth. Stuff only gullible people repeat, and repeat, and... repeat.

Only days ago you were left unable to defend Millette but you keep referring to his unpublished work as authoritative evidence anyway.

I have Millette's report, he found no thermite. Darn, you lost the thermite claims, and if you read Harrit/Jones' silly paper, you would understand they failed to find thermite; they lied. They fooled you.

Again Chris, molten metal under debris pile, firemen poured water on top of debris pile, not the molten metal underneath it all. As you acknowledge, they took active care to avoid nasty accidents.

What is this nonsense? No melted steel.

The collapse of the buildings turned the gybsum drywalls into fire smothering dust Chris. They would not smother fires this way in intact buildings on fire.

Fire smothering dust? How much of the dust was gypsum? How much was ceiling tiles? What is your point?

Can you address these points on your own Chris?

What points? You posted a bunch of BS and lies.

Thermite - lie
irons spheres prove thermite - lie
BS about dust
BS about Edna
BS about fires
Melted steel - lie

Why would Edna be in the cool air sucked in to the WTC by massive fires? Should he be on the smoky side, or in the inter-office heat, standing in ashes? What was your disrespectful nonsensical point?

Was she suppose to seek out fire? What is your point.

Is your point she is only 30 feet away from fire? Do you think her desk is cold? What is your point making fun of a victim, to fit your fantasy of CD, and delusional inside job claims. Do you have a point for spreading lies about 911?

 

[NoahFence]

Wrong. You only need to cut one and connect to a ground. Need me to explain electrical systems 101?

I think you should start with common sense 101 and only move toward engineering, electrical, architectural, etc. 101 after he shows passing grades in common sense.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Wrong again. Any part of the building will do. A loose contact will arc causing fires. You seem to think electrical fires are rare.

I'm not falling for your moving of goal posts. Address your lack of belief in electrical fires due to building damage.

More than rare enough for me to be able to say there is very little chance that what you are proposing is what caused the fires on ten floors of WTC 7 at about the same time. It also could not have been the cause of the vehicle fires.

 

[DGM]

I think you should start with common sense 101 and only move toward engineering, electrical, architectural, etc. 101 after he shows passing grades in common sense.

He's bluffing. He hopes I don't call him on is obvious miss representation of how a 3 phase supply (maybe delta, I can't recall) works.

Sit back and enjoy the tap dance.

 

[DGM]

More than rare enough for me to be able to say there is very little chance that what you are proposing is what caused the fires on ten floors of WTC 7 at about the same time. It also could not have been the cause of the vehicle fires.

You're claiming now that electrical fires are rare?

I'm not playing your switch topic or expanding the scope game. Focus.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

You're claiming now that electrical fires are rare?

I'm not playing your switch topic or expanding the scope game. Focus.

They are especially rare when the power has been shut off.

I would think you know that power was shut off in WTC 7 at 9:59 AM after the South Tower collapse.