New Disclosures on Benghazi

[The Big Dog]

This Benghazi absurdity is such a non-issue to the majority of Americans that it's now being used as the standard for substance-free witchhunts. For instance, "Ballghazi" in regards to the Patriots' football "scandal"

Avid readers know it's time for the right to move on.

I think that most people refer to it as "deflategate," and I don't think that I have ever understood that to mean that to mean the Watergate cover-up to constitute the standard for "substance-free witchhunts."

given that ISIS is presently murdering people in Libya, and Egypt is demanding assistance in their on-going attacks there, this is certainly not the time "move on" particularly as what is happening in Libya today is directly related to the Obama/Clinton strategies before and after the attack on the Consulate in Benghazi.

 

[NoahFence]

I think that most people refer to it as "deflategate," and I don't think that I have ever understood that to mean that to mean the Watergate cover-up to constitute the standard for "substance-free witchhunts."

given that ISIS is presently murdering people in Libya, and Egypt is demanding assistance in their on-going attacks there, this is certainly not the time "move on" particularly as what is happening in Libya today is directly related to the Obama/Clinton strategies before and after the attack on the Consulate in Benghazi.

Move on from Benghazi. It's over. The witch hunt is a punchline now. I hope the right is happy about that, marginalizing the lives of Americans.

 

[johnny karate]

Move on from Benghazi. It's over. The witch hunt is a punchline now. I hope the right is happy about that, marginalizing the lives of Americans.

If all the manufactured Benghazi outrage was even remotely rooted in a sincere concern for the loss of American lives, the same people demanding "the truth" about 4 dead Americans two and a half years later would also still be demanding that same truth about 3000+ Americans thirteen and a half years later.

 

[The Big Dog]

Move on from Benghazi. It's over. The witch hunt is a punchline now. I hope the right is happy about that, marginalizing the lives of Americans.

Ok.


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As for substance, here is a very timely update on the status of the Special Committee's investigation:

Trey Gowdy says he's waiting for Hillary Clinton's emails in Benghazi investigation

Avid readers of this thread will recall the outrage that followed the revelation that the White House had improperly withheld documents relating to the talking points memo, particularly the Rhodes snowjob memo:

“Goal”: “To underscore that these protests are rooted in and Internet video, and not a broader failure or policy.”

It seems pretty clear that Gowdy, a former prosecutor, is not going to put up with such shenanigans, and I think we can all agree that Americans are entitled to the whole truth.

 

[remirol]

What are you going to do when this investigation, like all the others, comes back with nothing?

 

[The Big Dog]

What are you going to do when this investigation, like all the others, comes back with nothing?

I am not sure I follow, every investigation has come back with explicit recommendations.

Further, you should read the Senate Intelligence Report:

"A long-delayed Senate Intelligence Committee report released Wednesday faulted both the State Department and the intelligence community for not preventing attacks on two outposts in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador, in 2012.

The bipartisan report laid out more than a dozen findings regarding the assaults on a diplomatic compound and a CIA annex in the city. It said the State Department failed to increase security at its mission despite warnings, and blamed intelligence agencies for not sharing information about the existence of the CIA outpost with the U.S. military."

Further, all investigations took place before it was established that the White House had improperly withheld documents.

I for one am all for holding our elected officials' feet to the fire, don't you agree?

 

[The Big Dog]

I think that most people refer to it as "deflategate," and I don't think that I have ever understood that to mean that to mean the Watergate cover-up to constitute the standard for "substance-free witchhunts."

given that ISIS is presently murdering people in Libya, and Egypt is demanding assistance in their on-going attacks there, this is certainly not the time "move on" particularly as what is happening in Libya today is directly related to the Obama/Clinton strategies before and after the attack on the Consulate in Benghazi.

As a follow up to this astute analysis, I note that NBC News published a very timely video over the weekend specifically pointing out that Hillary's biggest challenge in Libya might be the decision to get involved in the first place.

As avid readers of the thread know, there is of course no way to separate the two. In any event, NBC punctuates its piece with Hillary's infamous outburst during an earlier Benghazi hearings, which makes it pretty clear that Benghazi is going to be front and center if Hillary decides to run, whether she likes it or not.

This is an good, timely piece, and I urge you all to watch it.

Hillary's Biggest Libya Challenge might not be Benghazi

 

[Cleon]

Ok.


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As for substance, here is a very timely update on the status of the Special Committee's investigation:

Trey Gowdy says he's waiting for Hillary Clinton's emails in Benghazi investigation

Nothing says an investigation is heating up like a second-tier congresscritter from South Carolina saying that he's waiting for emails over breakfast.

 

[The Big Dog]

Nothing says an investigation is heating up like a second-tier congresscritter from South Carolina saying that he's waiting for emails over breakfast.

well he is actually the Chairman of the House Select Committee to investigate the 2012 Benghazi attack, a former Federal Prosecutor and District Attorney.

Basically a trial lawyer.

I personally am more concerned about the Obama administration dragging their feet in cooperating with Congress (withholding the Rhodes memo was an embarrassment) than the fact Rep. Gowdy meets with his constituents over a breakfast meeting.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Benghazi will become the Tippecanoe of the 21st century - a political buzzword that seems so darned important but the origin and meaning soon lost to all but a few.

 

[tyr_13]

I am not sure I follow, every investigation has come back with explicit recommendations.

Further, you should read the Senate Intelligence Report:

"A long-delayed Senate Intelligence Committee report released Wednesday faulted both the State Department and the intelligence community for not preventing attacks on two outposts in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador, in 2012.

The bipartisan report laid out more than a dozen findings regarding the assaults on a diplomatic compound and a CIA annex in the city. It said the State Department failed to increase security at its mission despite warnings, and blamed intelligence agencies for not sharing information about the existence of the CIA outpost with the U.S. military."

Further, all investigations took place before it was established that the White House had improperly withheld documents.

I for one am all for holding our elected officials' feet to the fire, don't you agree?

What did the investigations into the other embassy attacks and violence find?

 

[NoahFence]

Benghazi will has become the Tippecanoe of the 21st century - a political buzzword that seems so darned important but the origin and meaning soon lost to all but a few.

FTFY

 

[The Big Dog]

What did the investigations into the other embassy attacks and violence find?

Interesting question.

In fact the Senate report specifically relied on a pattern of previous embassy/consulate attacks in concluding:

"It also faults the State Department for not responding to repeated requests for increased security at the facility, and for ignoring incidents prior to the Sept. 11, 2012 attack that indicated Americans there were at risk."

with respect to Embassies outside of Benghazi, one would think that the scope of such endeavor would take us far outside the subject of the thread.

I for one would welcome a new thread on such a subject in the appropriate forum (History?) I suggest we start with the African Embassy bombings, the Tehran Embassy attack, and then work backward from the Pershwar attack in in 2012.

 

[Cleon]

well he is actually the Chairman of the House Select Committee to investigate the 2012 Benghazi attack,

And they gave this oh-so-important position to a South Carolinian no-name.

I'm sure it's all going to explode any day now.

 

[The Big Dog]

And they gave this oh-so-important position to a South Carolinian no-name.

I'm sure it's all going to explode any day now.

Yes, you earlier posted the baffling South Carolina ad hominem, and I responded by pointing to Gowdy's extensive experience as a trial lawyer, which is specifically why he was chosen.

Do you have another candidate that you feel is more qualified?

I also pointed out that at least part of the reason that the investigation is moving slowly is because the Obama administration has not been cooperative. I'm not sure that I understand your sarcastic comment in light of that.

 

[tyr_13]

Interesting question.

In fact the Senate report specifically relied on a pattern of previous embassy/consulate attacks in concluding:

"It also faults the State Department for not responding to repeated requests for increased security at the facility, and for ignoring incidents prior to the Sept. 11, 2012 attack that indicated Americans there were at risk."

with respect to Embassies outside of Benghazi, one would think that the scope of such endeavor would take us far outside the subject of the thread.

I for one would welcome a new thread on such a subject in the appropriate forum (History?) I suggest we start with the African Embassy bombings, the Tehran Embassy attack, and then work backward from the Pershwar attack in in 2012.

So Congress has not actually done investigations one those attacks like they have for Benghazi.

 

[The Big Dog]

So Congress has not actually done investigations one those attacks like they have for Benghazi.

I am not certain upon what you base that conclusion, I certainly hope it was nothing I said.

Of course the Congress did investigate previous attacks. There was quite a significant investigation of the East African Embassy attacks, and they eventually became a major focal point of the 911 Commission.

there were extensive congressional hearings regarding Iran as well.

Hope this clears up any confusion

 

[johnny karate]

I am not certain upon what you base that conclusion, I certainly hope it was nothing I said.

Of course the Congress did investigate previous attacks. There was quite a significant investigation of the East African Embassy attacks, and they eventually became a major focal point of the 911 Commission.

there were extensive congressional hearings regarding Iran as well.

Hope this clears up any confusion

And what was achieved with those investigations that you feel still needs to be achieved regarding Benghazi?

 

[tyr_13]

I am not certain upon what you base that conclusion, I certainly hope it was nothing I said.

Of course the Congress did investigate previous attacks. There was quite a significant investigation of the East African Embassy attacks, and they eventually became a major focal point of the 911 Commission.

there were extensive congressional hearings regarding Iran as well.

Hope this clears up any confusion

I think you missed the 'like there have been for Benghazi' part, or perhaps I wasn't clear about what that means. Benghazi did have an investigation that was like the other ones, it made recommendations, but then unlike the other attacks, Benghazi gets another investigation. And another. And another. This despite not finding anything more to investigate. This is despite using more resources than other much more important committees.

This is explained perfectly by some politicians using the sacrifice of Americans for partisan attacks, and not by this attack being somehow significantly different from the other ones or by some vague 'administration hasn't cooperated enough' (even though they did already for the first few).

 

[The Big Dog]

There has been significant discussions about the "previous investigations." There has also been several detailed posts explaining that a comprehensive investigation was needed because of The Obama Administration's refusal to cooperate and improper withholding of documents.

The stonewalling continues, with the administration only producing heavily redacted documents under threat of court order.

Judicial Watch has once again succeeding in cracking the door a little wider, with the Pentagon being forced to turn over more documents:

Here is a handy link:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-forces-obama-administration-release-pentagon-benghazi-attack-documents/

Avid readers of this thread will find more confirmation that the Administration (including CIA, State, DoD, and FBI) knew on September 12 that it was attack by radical fundamentalists. Why that story got buried by the weekend and replaced by a fanciful cover story regarding a non-existent demonstration outside the Consulate is the question of the hour.

Enjoy the new disclosures.