Gawdzilla Sama
121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy
The world changed for average Americans that day in 1941.
Dec. 7th, 2014, 73 years later.
- Thread starter Gawdzilla Sama
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Yes. Their country became embroiled in the World War.
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
I was stationed in PH for 3 years, when I was inport there were reminders of the attack all around me.
A sign of how things have changed (positively): one day I came into the Naval Station during RIMPAC, and all the ships I saw had Japanese flags flying (JDF assets). They also give you sake when you visit their wardroom.
A sign of how things have changed (positively): one day I came into the Naval Station during RIMPAC, and all the ships I saw had Japanese flags flying (JDF assets). They also give you sake when you visit their wardroom.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
Their country was already embroiled in the war.
Gawdzilla Sama
121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy
I was stationed in PH for 3 years, when I was inport there were reminders of the attack all around me.
A sign of how things have changed (positively): one day I came into the Naval Station during RIMPAC, and all the ships I saw had Japanese flags flying (JDF assets). They also give you sake when you visit their wardroom.
I was in Japan for the 40th anniversary, C-FAY Yokosuka, and the first thing I saw when I went to quarters was two Japanese flags on warships on the opposite of the pier. It reminded me that we could heal.
But not in a state of declared war with any other country. The events of that day really did make a difference.
Gawdzilla Sama
121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy
The public was resigned to the fact that we would have to go to war again to stop the Axis. Not happy about that, of course, but solidly aware that we were needed.
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
The U.S. went from being the Policeman of the Americas to the World's Policeman. We will never finish paying for the consequences.
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
And what is our return on investment in the U.S. for 60 years of keeping open the word's Sea Lines of Communication and relatively stable environments for business, in the absence of an actual WW III? Maybe the U.N. would have done with that for us.
We'll never hear the end of it.
Gawdzilla Sama
121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy
We could have stood by and done nothing, and caught hell for that. Or we could have become involved in the rest of the planet and caught hell for that. Either/or/**** you.
You were standing by and doing nothing.
John Jones
Penultimate Amazing
I was stationed in PH for 3 years, when I was inport there were reminders of the attack all around me.
A sign of how things have changed (positively): one day I came into the Naval Station during RIMPAC, and all the ships I saw had Japanese flags flying (JDF assets). They also give you sake when you visit their wardroom.
My mother-in-law remembers when the Japanese invaded the PI. She's still angry about it.
Gawdzilla Sama
121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy
Yep, that too. Intervening everywhere, not intervening anywhere.
Pray tell, tell me about how the majority of Americans saw this as a European war. Tell me about how the majority of Americans were happy to "fund" this crazy European war as long as they didn't actually have to get involved. Your position was to help the British but not enter the war.
Gawdzilla Sama
121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy
69% of Americans knew we'd have to fight the Germans. 72% knew we'd have to fight the Japanese. FDR's cabinet told him on Nov. 6th, 1941, unanimously, that he could get a declaration of war against Japan if she attacked British or Dutch possessions in the Far East.
The problem was a small but loud group of people who saw Europe as a never-ending civil war that we had be sucked into once and they didn't want that again.
FDR could have cut off all aid to any country that was engaged in a declared war. He didn't.
Gawdzilla Sama
121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy
Oh, and there's plenty of evidence that FDR was trying to provoke an incident that would have gotten us into a shooting war with Germany. In any case he could have gotten a declaration of war through Congress by the second quarter of 1942.
John Jones
Penultimate Amazing
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
And what is our return on investment in the U.S. for 60 years of keeping open the word's Sea Lines of Communication and relatively stable environments for business, in the absence of an actual WW III? Maybe the U.N. would have done with that for us.
Would you please care to prove to us that WWIII would have happened? And would you please tell us what you are comparing against when you speak of relatively stable business environments? Tell us how the world would have gone to hell-in-a-handbasket if we hadn't allowed the military-industrial complex to run this country on fear and paranoia. And while you're at it, you might wish to add your explanation of how we should deal with $16 trillion in debt. Sell off some billion-dollar battleships and aircraft carriers? Or maybe put some nukes up on eBay.
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
Maybe if we had stood by and done nothing in Vietnam, instead of as usual, propping up a series of corrupt, murderous two-bit dictators, we'd have saved a couple of trillion $ and achieved the same losing result. Maybe if we'd stood by and done nothing in Iraq, we'd have not only saved three trillion $ but the region would probably be more stable. Ever since WWII, U.S. foreign policy has been dominated by a series of expensive military adventures that do nothing but milk the taxpayers for trillions, line the pockets of military contractors, and get their political backers reelected. Not to mention getting lots of people killed for no good reason. Now the American people are getting suckered into another war against ISIS. If ISIS is a threat to the region, let the threatened countries (Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia) pay for and fight their own ******* war!
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