Michael Brown shooting II

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Checkmite said:
A police officer has been shot in Ferguson. The officer's injuries are not life-threatening and the shooter is still at large.
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Aha! With proper preemptive action, the officer would be uninjured and the criminal dead.

Will the police officer be disciplined for not recognizing the threat and killing the perp first? Provided, of course, the BOLO starts with the phrase, "Black male..."
 
TheL8Elvis said:
I don't know about "plenty", and I think you internationally mis-characterize discussing witness credibility as 'obsessing'.

I think each witness, and their statements, deserve scrutiny.

Yes.
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johnny karate said:
It seems a lot of people are having trouble seeing how a guy with his hands in the air getting shot to death is a justified shooting, or we wouldn't see such a concerted effort to discredit the multiple witness who saw Michael Brown with his hands in the air getting shot to death.
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I believe that's another intentional mis-characterization. Are you trying to poison the well against simply discussing witness credibility ?
 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-exorbitant-fees-to-provide-e-mails-to-press/

On Monday the Associated Press wrote that officials in Ferguson, Missouri, have been charging exorbitant fees to turn over public records like e-mails and texts from city officials. The informational paywalls come in the wake of the fatal police shooting of Michael Brown, an unarmed black man, that spurred weeks of protests in the St Louis suburb.

While it certainly doesn't reflect well on Ferguson, let's not forget Hanlons razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...son-michael-brown-police-wristbands/16291375/

Mo. police told no bracelets backing teen-killing cop

Under pressure from the Justice Department, police officials in and around Ferguson, Mo., have agreed to prohibit their forces from wearing wristbands in support of the officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The Justice Department also directed Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson to order his officers to follow policy and wear nameplates on their uniforms after federal investigators and residents spotted some with the identifiers removed or covered up.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
I believe that's another intentional mis-characterization. Are you trying to poison the well against simply discussing witness credibility ?
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The only well-poisoning I see is against the witnesses themselves.

Why do they need lawyers?

Why are the giving television interviews?

Did you see what they posted in Facebook?

All irrelevant.

Multiple independent witnesses report seeing Michael Brown with his hands up when he was shot to death.

Attacking the character or behavior of any of these witness is classic well-poisoning, and a very transparent attempt at that.
 
johnny karate said:
The only well-poisoning I see is against the witnesses themselves.

Why do they need lawyers?

Why are the giving television interviews?

Did you see what they posted in Facebook?

All irrelevant.

Multiple independent witnesses report seeing Michael Brown with his hands up when he was shot to death.

Attacking the character or behavior of any of these witness is classic well-poisoning, and a very transparent attempt at that.
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I'll grant you the first one, and raise you this one:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...2-9be0-56efdb9d4855.html#.VCr5-Vd8Hjo.twitter

Law license of Freeman Bosley Jr., former St. Louis mayor, suspended indefinitely

That's Dorian Johnsons lawyer. ;)

But the other two ... I think that's fair game in discussing witnesses on an Internet discussion board.
 
Brown shooting investigation is complete

The investigation into the controversial shooting death of unarmed teenager Michael Brown by a police officer in a St. Louis suburb has been completed, the St. Louis County prosecutor's office said Wednesday.

Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed the 18-year-old in the middle of the day on August 9 after telling Brown and a friend to get out of the street.
Authorities could have charged Wilson themselves by filing a criminal complaint, but St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch instead opted to present the case to a grand jury to decide whether to indict the officer.

"The investigation has been basically completed that is being conducted by both the FBI and St. Louis County PD," Ed Magee, the spokesman for the prosecutor's office, told CNN.
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Grand Jury investigating Brown shooting itself being investigated for leak

The St. Louis County prosecutor’s office is investigating an accusation of misconduct on the grand jury that is hearing the case against the Ferguson police officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown.

Ed Magee, the spokesman for county prosecutor Robert McCulloch, said they received the information from a “Twitter user” Wednesday morning.

“We are looking into the matter,” he said.

An account of possible jury misconduct surfaced Wednesday morning on Twitter, when several users sent messages about one juror who may have discussed evidence in the case with a friend.

In one of those messages, a person tweeted that they are friends with a member of the jury who doesn’t believe there is enough evidence to warrant an arrest of the officer, Darren Wilson.

The same person who tweeted about being friends with a member of the jury has also tweeted messages of support for Wilson.
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Breaking news, from local St. Louis station, Fox 2...
[Quote Fox2]CLAYTON, MO (KTVI) – Authorities are investigating whether a member of the grand jury in the Michael Brown shooting case may have leaked information.

Our partners at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, report that a woman with the Twitter handle @thesusannichols tweeted, “…I know someone sitting on the grand jury of this case. There isn’t enough at this point to warrant an arrest. #Ferguson.”

That account has since been deleted.

St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob Mcculloch told the paper that he would “be shocked if a jury member said anything”.
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http://fox2now.com/2014/10/02/count...ible-grand-jury-breach-in-michael-brown-case/
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hooting-is-being-investigated-for-misconduct/

An account of possible jury misconduct surfaced Wednesday morning on Twitter, when several users sent messages about one juror who may have discussed evidence in the case with a friend.

In one of those messages, a person tweeted that they are friends with a member of the jury who doesn’t believe there is enough evidence to warrant an arrest of the officer, Darren Wilson.

The same person who tweeted about being friends with a member of the jury has also tweeted messages of support for Wilson.

Magee confirmed that information on the Twitter user and feed came from an activist, Shaun King.

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“At a time where so many people in Ferguson already don’t believe that Prosecutor Bob McCulloch will take this case seriously, this potential leak is a disaster,” King said. “If it’s found to be true and the Grand Jury has to be dismantled, McCulloch should be taken off of the case immediately and replaced with a special prosecutor.”

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/517416144178008064/photo/1
the screenshot of the tweet in question says:
"I know someone sitting on the grand jury of this case there isn't enough at this point to warrant an arrest"
 
MRS 540.320

No grand juror shall disclose any evidence given before the grand jury, nor the name of any witness who appeared before them, except when lawfully required to testify as a witness in relation thereto; nor shall he disclose the fact of any indictment having been found against any person for a felony, not infine. actual confinement, until the defendant shall have been arrested thereon. Any juror violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a class A misdemeanor. ​

Maximum punishment includes 1 year imprisonment and $1000 fine.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
I'll grant you the first one, and raise you this one:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...2-9be0-56efdb9d4855.html#.VCr5-Vd8Hjo.twitter

Law license of Freeman Bosley Jr., former St. Louis mayor, suspended indefinitely

That's Dorian Johnsons lawyer. ;)

But the other two ... I think that's fair game in discussing witnesses on an Internet discussion board.
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You can discuss them all you want.

And I will continue to point out that all that well-poisoning doesn't change a central fact of this case: Multiple independent witnesses report seeing Michael Brown with his hands in the air when he was shot to death.

I'm at a loss to discern a reason to discuss the "credibility" of these witnesses that doesn't involve a healthy dose of confirmation bias.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
I'll grant you the first one, and raise you this one:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...2-9be0-56efdb9d4855.html#.VCr5-Vd8Hjo.twitter

Law license of Freeman Bosley Jr., former St. Louis mayor, suspended indefinitely

That's Dorian Johnsons lawyer. ;)

But the other two ... I think that's fair game in discussing witnesses on an Internet discussion board.
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That might be mildly interesting, but how is that the least bit relevant to the credibility of the witnesses?
 
johnny karate said:
You can discuss them all you want.

And I will continue to point out that all that well-poisoning doesn't change a central fact of this case: Multiple independent witnesses report seeing Michael Brown with his hands in the air when he was shot to death.
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You can continue pointing it out all you want.

Yes, it's a fact some witnesses have told the media Michael Brown had his hands in the air when he was shot to death.

Therefore ... :confused:

johnny karate said:
I'm at a loss to discern a reason to discuss the "credibility" of these witnesses that doesn't involve a healthy dose of confirmation bias.
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Begin with the fact that there was no arrest and has been no indictment. Start discern from there ...
 
johnny karate said:
You can discuss them all you want.

And I will continue to point out that all that well-poisoning doesn't change a central fact of this case: Multiple independent witnesses report seeing Michael Brown with his hands in the air when he was shot to death.

I'm at a loss to discern a reason to discuss the "credibility" of these witnesses that doesn't involve a healthy dose of confirmation bias.
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Speaking on TV is NOT giving evidence.

Giving a sworn statement to officials IS.

Now, tell me which of those who had face time on TV actually gave sworn statements?
 
TheL8Elvis said:
You can continue pointing it out all you want.

Yes, it's a fact some witnesses have told the media Michael Brown had his hands in the air when he was shot to death.

Therefore ... :confused:
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... it's a very strong probability that Michael Brown had his hands in the air when he was shot to death.

Do you deny this? Or do you think all these witnesses are lying?

Begin with the fact that there was no arrest and has been no indictment. Start discern from there ...
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Both are still pending... so... yeah... :confused:
 
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